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Yoda is out of character in TLJ

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by YubNubBub, Jan 29, 2018.

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    Neither. I'm referring to Yoda. You correctly say that he is largely serious throughout the trilogies. But in the PT and OT scenes we only see Yoda in serious circumstances where levity would be inappropriate. If he isn't chairing the council, he is talking about war or fighting Sith or counselling Anakin. In the OT he is old, frail and training Luke. In the one moment he is in a different scenario in the PT (younglings), he shows some humour and levity.

    So I mean, it's worth considering the context in which Yoda acts with levity and the times he does not...

    But also:

     
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    Well he is interacting with children in this video, not a senior master Jedi. I agree with OP's out of character theory and I can recall feeling similar about it when leaving the theater. The only explaination I have for his behaviour is that he still thinks of Luke as a Padawan, at least in some point of view. Maybe a joyful Yoda making jokes was exactly what Luke needed to find his way through the darkness, who knows. I still feel it would have been a better choice to have "wise Yoda" interact with Luke...
     
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    Oh my! How did i 4get that joke! Wait! Yoda sed Luke will live 900 years! RJ no! Luke was supposed to live!
     
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    But this "wise yoda" failed by ending Luke's education before he meets Darth Vader. So maybe Yoda just tried another way to "reach Luke" and I think it was the better way... By the way, I think, that real wiseness comes side by with a great and fine sense of humor ;)

    Nonetheless: While I accept the explanation, that Yoda talked to Luke like to one of his padawans (because Luke really acted a bit like a childish kid in this moment), I also see, that there was another reason for using the TEMP-Yoda instead of - well, let's say - the PT-Yoda and this is the whole way, Disney tries to avoid as much references to the PT as possible in the movies. But this maybe leads much too far for this thread...
     
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    I believe he is too but not because of the humor.
     
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    Yoda is so absolutely not out of character!
    He is PACKED FULL of Character! :p
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    Also...


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    "Seagulls" is possibly on of the most random things I've seen in a long, long time.

    Yoda may not have been too out-of-character in TLJ; perhaps that is actually how he always was before he was weighed down by all the responsibility of the events in the last few decades of his life. With Luke, maybe the Luke-during-the-vision in TLJ is actually closer to how Luke really is once he lets go of the failure over Kylo and the academy. Who knows?
     
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    For me, Yoda was one of the few scenes I actually enjoyed in the movie. The use of the original puppet was a great idea and I thought they played the part similar to his character in ESB.
     
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    Yub-Nope-Bub.

    Younglings and old masters; they are allowed to say everything.
    Wise they are and they don't have to care about other peoples expectations.
    I love my kids and I loved my grandpa, they say (said) the truth, (nearly) always;
    and they teach me to overcome my delusions :D
     
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    I think we also need to consider Luke's state of mind. He has been on the island for a long time. He had given up.... on the Jedi, on himself, on trying to make a difference to the galaxy, on Yoda's request to pass on what he had learned. When someone is like that, coming in all serious like, preaching, lecturing and chiding isn't always the best way to get through. It's likely to push someone farther away than in the right direction. I think Yoda having a little levity in his tone and manner was definitely appropriate for the situation.
     
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    No, he was right and balanced almost for the first time since Return of the Jedi for me other than maybe in the classroom in Clones. His speech pattern was even correct again.

    Yoda isn't some one note character, when he is that was getting it wrong.

    A little bit of nonsense now and then is treasured by the wisest men. Doubly so when it can be used to clear the cobwebs of even the elect when they are being foolish, hidebound, or wrongheaded and put reality into stark relief.
     
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    Not to beat a dead horse but.....

    For all you "defending" the characterization of Yoda.

    First off, he revealed his true characterization in ROTJ.

    Not to sound like a broken record but... 900 years have I trained Jedi... serious mind... deepest comittment....

    That was his persona. Yes indeed, George portrayed his own character incorrectly later in the Clone Wars especially.

    The whole "younglings" scene response from AOTC was a stretch response...

    Indeed, the true Yoda is the serious Yoda. He was only "goofy and giddy" in deceiving Luke. So to defend George or Disney from the OT to subsequent misportrayals is simply grasping at straws.

    Also cracking a joke Yoda is a far cry from the goofy silly Yoda in The Clone Wars and The Last Jedi. They are simply not the same.
     
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    People have answered your claims with counterarguments (which you can accept or not). We don't see Yoda as any one thing. We don't need to defend Yoda's characterization, we just don't see it as you do - to us (or most of us in this thread) he is more complex than 'a serious Jedi'. We see him as someone who can have the deepest commitment to the Force and still choose to be goofy to teach a lesson. We don't see it as contradictory or out of character. In simple terms, we just don't agree with you.
     
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    I think George version of Yoda (which he practically funded TCW) holds more weight than your version of Yoda. I'll take the creators version over some fan who think he knows more than the series creator and the people who is in charge of SW. Many people including myself made some very good counter points. If you want to shrug them off, then what's the point of debating? You have a different version of Yoda than myself, George Lucas, Pablo, and many other people just don't see it your way.
     
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    Thats fine. We are all entitled to our opinion. However bear in mind, since we are citing evidence, comparing Yoda from 1-6 to Clone Wars for example, and he simply is not the same persona.

    The same holds true comparing 1-6 to TLJ.

    While your entitled to your opinion and me mine, the evidence in fact weighs against your claims. George was inconsistent in his portrayal of Yoda, and we paid the price for that in TLJ.

    However we can agree to disagree, but the burden of proof remains not on me because Yoda from 1-6 backs me up. The serious Jedi Master backs up my claims.
    --- Double Post Merged, Feb 13, 2018, Original Post Date: Feb 13, 2018 ---
    See above. I just cannot see it your way. The Yoda we have in Clone Wars and TLJ does not coincide with Yoda from 1-6. I am not making this up, the evidence is there.

    The Jedi Council will not go with you this time, they all know Yoda's persona changed, why can't you?
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    Also keep in mind the "well he is a wise funny force ghost now" arguement is flawed.

    Did Obi Wan change persona after becoming a force ghost? Certainly not. He still was serious and wanting Luke to face his Father.

    The evidence is there to support Yoda being completely out of characterization. Whether you choose to accept it or turn a blind eye is up to you.

    However as someone who does generally enjoy the Sequel trilogy, and gives it the benefit of the doubt, I ask you to look at this through a clear concise lense using Yoda from 1-6 as the base evidence and comparison factor.

    To assume Disney or even George would not make mistakes from time to time, is a logical fallacy. "Do not shoot the messenger" comes to mind. Read the message and consider carefully if the claims are true, accept it, and move forward.

    I am not saying the Sequel trilogy is bad, but I do stand by my statement that Yoda suffers from "Dissasociative Identity Disorder" so to speak.
     
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    That's not how evidence work - to paraphrase Han Solo. You can't exclude parts you don't like or disagree with. You say: He was only "goofy and giddy" in deceiving Luke - in ESB. We say, yes, that's not just part of his personality, that's how we and Luke were introduced to him and that doesn't mean he will never, ever be "goofy" again. We say that's a part of his personality, which ESB clearly proves. He is "goofy" in TLJ because he's teaching Luke another lesson. Rian incorporated ALL of his personality in TLJ not just the things you'd like him to be.
     
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    Do you guys remember those scenes in Revenge of the Sith where Obi Wan is all sad after seeing how Anakin betrayed the jedi and even killed younglings? How out of character! This is the Obi Wan I know, a smug hero who spouts one-liners even in the face of crushing defeat:

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    Not a depressed, disillusioned man

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    Oh wait, maybe characters can have complexity and exhibit more than one single emotion, even to the point of having variety in their personalities based on the situation they are in.

    Yep, it's probably the second one.
     
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    Yoda was always humorous and kind of shady....revenge of the sith yoda slammed those 2 imperial guards to the wall was 100 percent shady
     
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