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Yoda is out of character in TLJ

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by YubNubBub, Jan 29, 2018.

  1. Mosley909

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    The Yoda in the Last Jedi reminded me of the Yoda that first showed up to Luke in the Empire Strikes Back, before Luke knows he is the Jedi master he is looking for. So in that way he did feel in character.

    Though i suppose you could make the argument that once Yoda revealed himself to Luke his character changed and we havn't really seen Yoda act like that since, whether it be the rest of Empire or Jedi or the Prequels, so in that way you could argue he acted out of character.
     
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  2. YubNubBub

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    The "goofy" Yoda you refer to was clearly a ruse.

    This has been the common consensus for years, across multiple platforms. So your not just arguing against me, but countless articles supporting the same thing. From the time of Legends and beyond, you are arguing against the crowd. Yes I am also well aware this first example is now non-canon. But this is only one source, all saying the same thing.

    To quote just a FEW sources.

    "accepted
    He was:

    1. Pretending to be the nutty old harmless thing so Luke would not know who he was.
      See Obfuscating Stupidity.
      The reasons were:
      • He didn't want to teach Luke (being wary of another Skywalker Reversal) due to Luke having similar problems to Anakin (started too late, wrong personality traits, Skywalker Curse, and excessive Midichloran count meaning that the downside of Luke falling to Dark Side was that much higher).

      • He didn't know if he could risk the info that he was Yoda the Jedi Master to fall into Luke's hands yet.

      • Luke not knowing who he was helped him test Luke by observing Luke in "natural" state (e.g. NOT the state of Luke talking to great Jedi Master).
    2. In addition, that behavior was testing Luke (e.g. would he react with violence to stealing of flashlight or food? How would he react to having his patience tested by seeing this nutcase when he's in a rush to find Jedi Master?).

      This is not just a logical speculation, but is confirmed in C-Canon:

      Yoda had also given Luke a hard time at that encounter. It had been a test of Luke's patience and of his treatment of strangers. And Luke had flunked it. Rather miserably. (Dark Force Rising, Timothy Zahn)
    Also, as far as behaving in weird manner, it's a standard archetype/trope for a Quirky Weird Wise Wizard Mentor. Somewhat covered by Old Master but I'm too afraid for tvtropes to go dig for more specific trope names."

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    10. “How you get so big eating food of this kind?” Yoda, The Empire Strikes Back

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    This line is great not just because Yoda is putting on a goofy persona to screw with Luke, but also because the basic logic to the sentences is a classic joke of misunderstanding. Small food=small people, right? The joke accepts this premise before it begins, which is why this random assertion from Yoda makes us giggle."

    These articles are all across the internet, with the exact same conclusion:

    Goofy Yoda was a ruse to test Luke.

    So you are arguing against endless sources saying the same thing. You are attempting to justify and even spin on occasion by bringing up a character of non topic. (I am referring to cawatrooper and the Obi Wan comment)

    Again, why shoot the messenger?

    Also, what purpose would Yoda have to be goofy and then switch to serious. Was it all for fun? Or did Yoda himself tell you why he acted in such a manner:

    "I cannot train him, the Boy has no patience."

    So, I am interested in your continued refusal to accept the fact Yoda's persona was deviated over the years and your justification for refusing the evidence, which clearly supports that Yoda is the serious Jedi Master.
     
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    I'm just disappointed he wasn't really transparent.
    Someone already showed me Yoda with bluish light around him. But he wasn't transparent. :(
     
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    I mean, the crowd can say what they want, but this Yoda is canon.

    It doesn't matter how many articles or think pieces are written on what people think Yoda is- a billion people can mistakenly identify him as a Rancor if they want, doesn't make them right.
     
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    He was very happy go lucky that fit perfectly with his Buddha-like cherubic trope.

    He remarks that Obi-Wan "lost a planet" and laughs along with his younglings, expressing a Buddha-like affection for them.

    "When 900 years old you are, look as good you will not, hmm!!?????!!" is an incredibly comedic line.

    The fact that it's a ruse, literally means nothing. He had purpose, and had fun, and had all the comedic charm in his character. How else would he learn to act like that? lol

    Also, Clone Wars.
     
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    Hopefully no one has pointed this out already but you do realize that Lucas was the executive producer for the Clone Wars series.

    Basically you're saying, "George Lucas incorrectly portrayed the character he created."
     
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    Yoda was definately out of character, but this was not as worse as Luke beeing completely out of character.
     
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    While I generally agree with you... some people here cannot quite see it the same way.

    They respond in a similar fashion to:

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    They cite Yoda as cracking a small joke with younglings as proof he is the goofy character they all know and love. They spin.

    They also say George didn't stray with his own character in Clone Wars.

    But HE DID. The setup for thr original Yoda was a serious minded Jedi Master. Also cracking a joke in AOTC and putting on a persona are two different things. Again, he was out of character in TLJ.

    But don't tell anyone that here.....

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    They will ignore it, spin it, and not accept that the OT Yoda was indeed strayed from, many times, by both Disney and George.

    Best not argue with these people, the Sequel trilogy can do no wrong!
     
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