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Your ideas for IX's plot.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Sparafucile, Sep 27, 2018.

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    That's interesting, and I think it gives the whole "The Last Jedi" phrase a deeper meaning- it's the final barrier to Kylo (and apparently Anakin's) goal.

    Of course, now that barrier is Rey, as she is the new Last Jedi.

    I wonder, though- is the name of Jedi and Sith really all that meaningful? What's the point of destroying the Sith if the KOR are almost identical (which, admittedly, we can't really say is the case as of now)?

    Then there are the other force sensitives alluded to, like Broom Boi. Is he to become a KOR? Surely not, right?

    I wonder if ending the sensitivity to the Force itself is Kylo's goal- something far more ambitious than just stopping Rey, now, and something that would make sense with TLJ's ending, too. There would be a whole lot more at stake.
     
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    Maybe the KOR are viewed by Kylo as a balance between the Jedi and Sith or between the light and dark. He originally wanted Rey to rule with him. That wound have been the ideal fulfillment of the prophecy. I guess Kylo could use the KOR to eliminate the Jedi and then dispose of them.
     
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    I had a conversation with a friend of mine who isn't a serious fan of Star Wars about Episode 9 today that was related to this idea. He said the only thing that made sense as an actual ending was for the force itself to be destroyed or for people's connection to be removed, except his view was that this would be the coming together moment for Rey and Kylo. Basically, they realize that the only way for there to be balance in the force is if there are no life forms who bend it to their will and they decide to destroy / sever whatever lets people connect to the force. Maybe all the force ghosts would sacrifice themselves in the force realm to make this happen too.

    They could realize that the jedi and sith damage the force (or even the midichlorians) when they use their powers and that the struggle between light and dark has cost countless lives over the centuries, and that they (reylo / obi-wanakin) are just destined to keep being reborn and reliving this struggle of good and evil for eternity. Anakin came close to destroying all the force users in the galaxy but Luke lived and became a Jedi. Despite Luke's best intentions, he perpetuated the cycle of light rising and darkness to meet it by creating a new Jedi order and thus a new dark side response to that order. In that sense, "The Force Awakens" may be referring to Kylo's turn to evil in between 6-7 as well as Rey's newfound power (my own speculation there).

    Basically, Luke was right and the Jedi do need to end because the force does not belong to anyone. The Jedi and Sith brought gum to class but there wasn't enough for everyone and now no one in the galaxy can have gum. Or, the force is the environment and we all need to learn to protect it instead of abusing it. Maybe Reylo live on and start a school of the force, but it's more of a typical religion similar to the Guardians of the Whills where they don't actually practice manipulating the force, they just worship it and seek enlightenment through it.

    Obviously this is coming from someone who doesn't know or care about canon and lore, but I thought that was an interesting take. Would they go there? I don't know. I kinda like it and I kinda hate it at the same time...but it does raise the stakes and add a lot of finality. Star Wars would definitely be over after that movie.
     
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    I guess I could see a group of beings like the Jedi still existing, but actually acting as guardians of the Force instead of the action heroes who abused it during the Clone Wars.
     
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    Heres my idea for the films set up and first act. Can't really think where to go after this but using what we know already this is how I think things will play out.

    Under Kylo Ren's leadership the First Order is in disarray, Ren, being indecisive, and unsure of himself makes poor decisions and doesn't inspire confidence so rules through fear. The first Order is losing skirmishes against the resistance and Ren is betting on his knights returning soon with some kind of power or knowledge that will make him powerful enough to rule the galaxy undisputed and end the war.

    . Meanwhile The Resistance is resurgent but scattered and still too small to really stand against the First order. Somehow they uncover the location of an abandoned droid factory and plan to activate and reprogram the droid army but they don't have the programme to activate the factory and droids personalities. R2 remembers 3PO was onced linked into the battle droid network and they go on a mission to find crashed and abandoned Tantive on Tatooine, which is the central hub of a new village that has formed around the deserted ship, Kylo Ren hears about the plan through a mole in the Resistance. Still obsessed with Rey and upon learning Rey and the main cast including Leia and a squad of resistance troopers aboard the Falcon are the ones the Resistance has sent to retrieve the data Kylo decides to pursue them himself.

    However, The Knights Of Ren return from The Beyond with a new and more powerful master. Possibly the first Sith or whatever Sidious was sensing. They assume command of The First Order with Kylo Ren absent. Hux, desperate for a change in leadership and intimidated by the group of dark side users pledges his and his troops loyalty to a new leader. This new order has a different goal than to Rule the galaxy though, they seek total darkness, to destroy any trace of the light side and purge the galaxy in terror, much the same as it is in the unknown regions to feed their power and extend the reach of the dark side. They have in their possession a weapon that can break the barrier between the world of living and the dead and would turn the fabric of reality into a dark, nightmarish hellscape. \however they are missing a vital component. Something mysterious, powerful and dangerous Luke found while he was exploring the galaxy. Snoke, who was the masters emmisary in the galaxy, had told him before he died that Luke had the object. They fought for it while exploring a temple together a decade prior, losing the fight is how Snoke got his injuries, we see this in a flashback. Hux tells them of a girl who was training with Luke They plan to find Rey and use her connection to Luke to find out where he had hidden it.

    After exploring the village and obtaining the memory the group are found and confronted by Kylo Ren and a handful of Stormtroopers. they exchange words, Leia seems to get through to him, as she walks towards him, a hand extended a Tie fighter flies over head and shoots the ground before Leia before she reaches him, gravely injuring her. The First Order under new leadership swarms the area looking for Ren and the Leaders Of the Resistance. Dust is thrown into the air causing confusion a battle starts to kick off but Rey and Kylo stunned by grief stumble over to Leia in the middle of the battle. Kylo Ren manages to say goodbye, Rey is beside him crying,they catch eyes, Rey is full of anger, Ren of despair then suddenly focus and determination. Kylo tries to save her with the force, he fails.

    Rey is pulled away from the battle by Finn, they leave Kylo kneeling over her body. They escape but suffer losses. Kylo is then shot by a stormtrooper from behind. Filled with rage he goes on a rampage very similar to Anakin in ATOC. Eventually confronting the knights of Ren in his weakened state he is defeated, his right hand severed, his lightsaber destroyed and left seemingly for dead in the now burning and destroyed village. His powers and faith in the dark side have failed him. While barely conscious on the ground Ghost Luke appears and tell him to go to a planet (The swamp one) and tells him to find The Oracle, who will put him back on the right path...The Oracle will give him some speech about Him and Rey being the key to balancing the force and only together can they save the galaxy. They are both the chosen ones, both immaculate conceptions created by the force, powerful light powerful darkness, Han wasn't his father, Rey's family abandoned her because they never wanted a child. Anakin was not the chosen one, he was created by Palpatine. The prophecy had nothing to do with the sith or jedi, it was about ending the forces unnatural use.
    Together they must use their power to save the galaxy, then abandon manipulating the force, them and everyone else so the force can die, The force is a living organism, not a tool to be used for good or evil and it's time has come.

    Luke tells him to go back to their old training temple, to start down his path to redemption to confront his actions and to retrieve his green lightsaber. Then to find Rey.
     
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    Woah! I really love this idea! I really wouldn't mind if it played out like this!
     
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    My hope: The movie is about 6 minutes long. Luke wakes up in a cold sweat, all of TFA and TLJ being a dream. He goes out into his Jedi Academy and summons President Leia, General Solo and prized pupil Ben for dinner and tells them the tale, the film ending with them all crying from laughing so hard at the absudity of the events that took place. End credits.

    At least that would save the saga from the ST embarassments so far.
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    This is very interesting and well thought out idea. Far too complex for JJ. I watched Alias and Lost. I know better than to expect JJ's plots to come together and make sense at the end.
     
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    For the first time with a SW theatrical release, I have no major plot ideas or desires going in. And I definitely don’t mean that as any insult. I’m just a blank slate, and much like RJ, just looking to go in and be entertained.

    I am enjoying some of the ideas from others.
     
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    I suspect you will enjoy the movie more this way.
     
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    I haven't figured out what my ideal conclusion would be in IX but I will work on that. As far as an opening goes I've had an Idea in my head since seeing TLJ and I've done my best to hash it out in brief here as a kinda script.




    Act 1-


    A sea of stars frames the vast volcanic surface of MUSTAFAR
    We pan across ashen mountains as an imperial style ship touches down on the volcanic surface outside VADER’S CASTLE.


    CUT TO-

    VADER’S CHAMBERS-


    A huge Obsidian hall with a high square ceiling.
    At then end of the hall is a large black throne, it stands empty.
    General Hux enters the hall flanked by two white Stormtroopers, walking with purpose across the empty hall towards four red Stormtroopers guarding the deserted throne.
    Hux comes to a stop before the armed guards. He scans the room nervously, eyes settling on the empty throne.


    HUX
    Where is the Supreme leader?


    RED STORMTROOPER GUARD
    The Supreme Leader is within the foundry, he is not to be disturbed General.


    HUX
    Well, If the supreme leader ever re-surfaces tell him that my men have found her.


    RED STORMTROOPER GUARD
    The Jedi?


    HUX (sneering)
    The Scavenger. She has been located on a remote planet in the outer rim.


    KYLO REN(voice from out of shot):
    What Planet?


    Kylo Ren ascends into the chamber via a doorway at the side of his throne. His cloak strikes an imposing silhouette against the polished stone room.


    HUX
    Supreme Leader, what an honour it is for you to grace us w-


    KYLO REN
    What Planet General Hux.


    Kylo Ren walks closer, so he and Hux are face to face.


    HUX
    A backwater called Tatooine, She’s been-


    KYLO REN (to his Guard)
    Ready my ship.


    RED STORMTROOPER
    Yes supreme leader.


    The guard runs towards the distant exit, his foot falls echoing in the hall.
    General Hux watches the stormtrooper run off and turns slowly back towards Kylo Ren


    HUX
    You’re going to her yourself, do you think that is wise?


    KYLO REN
    Are you questioning the Supreme Leader?


    HUX (looking furious trying to mask it as best as he can.)
    Yes.The First Order needs decisive leadership, The Knights of Ren are still missing, the rebellion grows stronger every day since Skywalker returned and all you concern yourself with is this girl. Your personal feelings-


    Kylo Ren ignites his saber and moves forward spinning it with deadly precision.
    Hux’s Stormtrooper guards draw their blasters as Hux falls back behind them.
    A Stormtrooper opens fire before Kylo Ren cuts them both down.
    Hux slips on the polished floor looking up as his guards drop down, cut into pieces.
    In Hux’’s face we see the red flickering of Kylo Ren’s blade and then it is extinguished.
    Hux pushes himself up off the floor.


    HUX (In a hysterical voice)
    You will have more than one rebellion on your hands if you aren’t careful Ren. Do not forget that it was your obsession with the jedi that allowed the rebels to escape Crait.


    Kylo Ren is stood breathing hard still gripping his saber hilt.


    KYLO REN.
    She is all that’s left.


    HUX
    I thought you feelings may cloud your judgement on this so you will be pleased to know I have already sent a squadron to dispose of her. So that you might focus on your duties as Supreme Leader of the First Order.


    KYLO REN
    What?


    HUX
    They're already on the planet, Ordered to kill on sight.


    A range of emotions flicker across Kylo Ren’s face.


    KYLO REN
    You underestimate her.

    HUX
    And you overestimate the importance of the force.


    Kylo Ren’s face contorts and he extends an arm, there is a tremendous noise as General Hux is thrown across the vast hall, sliding along the ground.


    KYLO REN
    No. You’re wrong.


    HUX (while rising)
    The other leaders will not stand for this, You will be overthrown. I-I won’t let you ruin everything we’ve worked towards.


    Kylo Ren ignites his lightsaber.


    KYLO REN
    You can’t stop me.


    Hux draws his pistol with surprising speed and fires at Kylo Ren.
    Kylo Ren uses his saber to reflect the blast, it strikes Hux in the chest, Hux goes down hard. His head hitting the stone floor.
    We see Kylo Ren’s boots as he walks over to the fallen Hux and crouches over him, pulling the General up.


    HUX (wincing)
    The Knights of Ren will come for you.


    KYLO REN
    I know.


    We see the red light of Kylo Ren’s lightsaber on both their faces and Hux’s eyes go wide as it is ignited. He breathes in pain and then does not breath again.
    Kylo Ren rises and walks towards the door to the MUSTAFAR exterior.


    CUT TO-


    sea of stars is broken by the vast golden surface of a sand planet, Twin suns slowly drift into view from the far side of the planet.
     
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    Here's my idea. It addresses one of the most controversial aspects of the ST so far. I use elements from all 3 trilogies and tie them together.
    Any feedback is appreciated!

     
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    For me, the only thing I'm really hoping for is a pretty significant time jump from the end of TLJ. I'm hoping for something like 4-5 years.
     
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    I'd like to see the Resistance battle it out w/ the First Order then urgently team up to fight off Palpatine's plan from the outer regions.
    Kylo uses the "world between worlds" to get Anakin's help in beating Palpatine and therefore fulfilling prophecy and bringing balance to the force.

    Once there's balance, the skywalkers will rise...

    Unless its just directionless storytelling there is no way David Filoni would have introduced the WBW in Rebels Season4 w/ Lucas's feedback without knowing it would be used in future movies.
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    I called it last week Rey's a clone of Leia.
    However thumbs up for the effort w/ the video!
     
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    I re-posted the video in the "Speculation" thread about Rey's parents.

    Thanks for the "like" and for taking the time to watch it!
     
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    Here are what I see happening in ROS in my crystal ball:

    1 - Rey is a clone of Luke's hand. She has Skywalker blood. That is one of the reason the saber called for her.
    2 - When the Emperor died in ROTJ, the Sith entity that inhabited him got liberated and is haunting everything it "touched"... Darth Vader's suit and helmet, the remains of Death Star II... it is still waiting to inhabit a new host. Snoke was one of the people corrupted by it, so is Kylo Ren.
    3 - The Knights of Ren went looking for Darth Vader's saber so it is thought it was the weapon that killed the Emperor. They found more that what they bargained for and they are back. Their return is not only a threat for Kylo Ren and the First Order but for the entire galaxy.
    4 - Kylo and Rey must join forces to face that new threat. Kylo basically finishes what Darth Vader attempted to do in ROTJ and sacrifices himself to save Rey and the galaxy.
    5 - C3PO's memory is restored and he is the one redeeming the Skywalker name at the end of the movie by telling the whole story.
    6 - Lando is pivotal in helping the Resistance finding the remains of Death Star II on one of the moon of Endor.
    7 - We will learn from Maz the whole story why the saber ended up in her possession and who got Luke's hand. We will also find out that the hand is alive and well...
    8 - Rey will leave with Leia, Chewbacca, R2 and C3PO at the end of the movie to go search for Jedi.
    9 - Finn will reunite with his sister and end up with her and Rose on his home planet
    10 - After an epic fight between Kylo and Rey through space and time, it's ultimately Luke and Leia that bring Kylo to reason not to kill Rey and open his eyes that he was manipulated all along. Expect some flashback scenes and visions.
    11 - Palpatine didn't kill Plagueis. By striking him down, he got possessed by that Sith entity. That is how Sith works. That was Emperor's plan to have Luke as his new host in ROTJ (or Leia).
    12 - Poe Dameron and the Resistance will see that "New Threat" as benevolent at first since it carries heavy damages on the First Order... only to find out both sides are mere pawns in a bigger chess game.

    Some surprises now:

    Hayden Christensen will be in the movie.
    De-aged CGI versions of Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, Harrison Ford and Ian MacDiarmid are in the movie.
    Obi Wan will return somehow.
    Droid factories are in the movie so are clones.
    Mustafar, Endor, Bespin, the Death Star and Tatooine are back somehow.
    Underwater scenes with lightsaber action.
     
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    This is our most desperate hour...

    Darkness rises and the light to meet it...

    That's about as difficult as it needs to be. Everything else is just filler.

    TPM started with two Jedi on a routine trade mission and we had a Sith lord ordering their assassination out of hand.

    This is going to end with the final defeat of that menace.

    The question in this film for the resistance is who is really pulling the strings, and how do they sever those strings. They can blow up a superweapon, but they can't realistically dismantle an entire army. They have to remove the first cause. I think the mystery and reveal will be whether or not it is a somehow incarnate Palpatine or just him laughing from beyond the grave while his final plan for destroying everything if he can't personally have it plays out.
     
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    This thread is gonna be a great recall when people are "disappointed" by 9
     
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    As some others have posted, I think the idea of letting go of the Force altogether is an interesting one. There's been a lot of focus on 'balance', and this certainly is one way of restoring that balance.
    Elaborating on this, the new order, the "Skywalkers", can be a spiritual successor to the Guardians of the Whills, protecting the knowledge without actually harnessing the Force.

    Slightly off topic, I remember a rumour/ theory back in the old days of 2004, which stated that after Anakin fell to the dark side, no new force sensitives were born, not until Anakin came back at the end of RotJ. This was interesting to me, as it would explain there being no other Jedi at the time of the OT.


    Anyhoo, in keeping with the theme of balance, I still think it's possible this trilogy will end with that balance restored, possibly with a new iteration of the Mortis Trio (maybe called the Skywalkers), with Rey as the Daughter, Ben as the Son and Luke as the Father.
     
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    We find out Kylo is actually the son of Leia and Jabba from her time held captive by him in RotJ. Kylo is angry Leia killed his real father in a domestic violence incident and resents Han for breaking them up.
     
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