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Your ideas for IX's plot.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Sparafucile, Sep 27, 2018.

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    If they pull it off well, would anyone be okay if Rey was a Skywalker all along?

    I understand the message behind her parents in TLJ but I don’t think it was well executed. The way it was done, it essentially makes Kylo Ren, the last Skywalker and memory of the original trio, which is just down right depressing. Also, the other characters Finn, Poe, Rose, don’t really stand on their own. The dynamics are not very well established.

    If they wanted to critique the notion of bloodline why not do it by having two grand children of Vader, one with the light side and one with the dark?

    Like in Episode III, it was implied that the Sith created Anakin. So he is not really the chosen one, he is really a descendant of Satan in a way. It would have made for good drama and something anyone can relate to, being related or descendant of a family with a bad reputation.

    It would add some depth the scene where Rey and and Ren are both trying to get the lightsaber. We see two grandchildren fighting for the “birthright” but then it gets destroyed, meaning none of them are entitled to this “heirloom"
     
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    Yes, absolutely. I still haven't released the notion that she is, but I haven't fully hung my hat on it either, and won't be disappointed if she's not.

    Exactly...I used the word "Lazy" over that very topic with @royalrancor in another thread and he all but skinned me alive!! I then went for "Cheap" as it actually came from Kylo trying to erase her hope and have her concede to join him as she had no hope left.

    And yes...the grandchildren (like from the EU) only now perhaps a canon version of that very scenario to be revealed like a cliffhanger for the next trilogy. :)
     
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    Episode IX plot:
    Some time has passed, (at least a year). The First Order gaining more control over the galaxy. The new rebel alliance is forming throughout the star systems. Poe and Finn are traveling to planets to recruit for their cause. Rose and Maz seek out Lando to help fund the new Rebel Alliance. General Leia is in command but not serving on the front lines. Rey is helping out Rebel alliance while at the same time she is honing her Jedi skills. I think Rey and Kylo are still connected through the force, but both are conflicted over their feelings about each other. Hux wants to usurp Supreme Leader Kylo Ren. Hux will sabotage a First Order mission and convince the order that the failure was of Kylo Ren's. Hux will try to oust Kylo Ren through a mutiny. Kylo will be battling a faction within the First Order and the new Rebel Alliance. As for the Knights of Ren - I am not sure if they will betray Kylo Ren or if they will stand by his side in order to help him fight the mutiny. I do believe there will be a lightsaber battle between Kylo and Rey and a Lightsaber battle between KOR and Rey and Kylo. Force Ghost Luke will help guide Rey and haunt Kylo. I would love for Anakin Skywalker to appear as a force ghost, but I think Luke will only be the force ghost that we see.

    I think Kerri Russell and Richard E. Grant will be First Order Operatives, maybe one actor will side with Kylo Ren and the other is with Hux.

    I am sure that everything that I speculate is WRONG. but I am okay with that. As long Episode IX is a good entertaining movie that ends with a satisfying ending to the Skywalker saga, I will be happy.
     
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    Rey will be training young Jedi, maybe only a couple but training them none the less. At some point, the Knights of Ren will find them and attack, taking the students with them and Rey will barely escape. Rey wont know what to do, face Kylo and kill him? Try to redeem him again? Lukes ghost will tell her it is time for her to face Kylo one last time. She will ask him if she is supposed to kill him and Luke will say the classic, "Always in motion the future is, trust your feelings."

    There will be a plan made for the Resistance to give the First Order their final battle using forces gathered by Poe, Finn, and Leia. While the Resistance is locked in a space battle with the First Order, Rey will find Kylo, The Knights of Ren and her students and will begin an epic battle with them. Eventually, the Knights of Ren will overpower Rey. Right as the Knights are about to deal the killing stroke Luke will appear to Kylo and give him a vision. Luke will show Kylo why the force created Anakin, his journey into darkness and his redemption, Kylo will see his place in everything, his place as a Skywalker, and his place as a Jedi who will birth a new Jedi Order that will go on for eternity. This will connect all the trilogies together and will break the darksides hold on Kylo and he will rescue Rey. Together they will kill the Knights of Ren and unlike TLJ after the battle, he will join Rey.

    The Resistance will win the space battle and finally defeat the First Order. Poe and Finn will go on to help set up a new government. Leia will walk away from everything and retire. Ben and Rey will be together with their student, maybe even more students, and will give a line like these are our first steps as a new Jedi Order.
     
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    The way I saw it is that if Snoke was “bridging” their minds, manipulating their bonding, then it is not far fetched to say that Kylo Ren could be manipulating Rey, even if Rey says “they were no one first.”

    Why do Ren and Rey FaceTime at the end after Snoke is dead? This mythic, ancient being is so powerful that he can connect the minds of two force users light year away just dies like that? It just seems too sloppy. They have to bring him back or at least explain why he was there at all. Too much emphasis on Kylo Ren.

    At the end of the day, IDGAF about who Rey is. Like if it was clearly established in TFA, like “my name is Kira Rey and here is a my deal,” where it is clearly shown she is not related to anyone but a new character completely most people would be like “oh cool.” But they for some reason had to do it in this big set up that just deflates like a balloon.


    My troll-esue side of me just wants to see some TLJ defenders(critics) lose their mind on twitter about how Abrams ruined RJ’s profound message.
     
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    If what you say is true, then it would link up neatly with Rey's vision from TFA.

    Kylo and the Knights of Ren...

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    A battleground with lots of dead (Jedi) warriors...

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    Rey overpowered and then being saved by Kylo...

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    This is how Palpatine, the literal ruler of the galaxy, one of, if not the most powerful Sith Lord, dies:


    Being thrown into a pit is not really the most dignified way to die. Or maybe should I remind people of the death of Boba Fett? Or General Grievious? Or Captain Phasma? Or Darth Plagueis? Or Tarkin? Or Maul? Dying in a humiliating way while being a baddie is a thing in Star Wars. It's all done for a reason to show that power blinds people and to make evil less attractive and so on. Saruman is also a great example of an insanely powerful being whose death is pathetic.

    I adore how people try to turn Kylo into this evil mastermind. I had also been doing that but then I rewatched The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi. He's to emotional to even come up with such an idea. He's doing a poor job at being a Vader. He's hot-headed, extremely passionate and cares to much for Rey and his family to think or act logically around them. In a weird way he's too innocent to do such a thing. Look at him - he's crying when she talks about her vision at the cave and when they touch hands!


    If he wasn't a leader of a neo-fascist regime I'd say he's cute.
     
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    Exactly! Im sure I am totally wrong but it is really fun to guess.
     
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    But The Emperor had motivations, he is the Emperor, trying to maintain his tyranny. Now that he is dead, a random dude comes out of nowhere to mess it all up. Who is he? Why is he here? What are motives? Then...he dies.

    Besides, his death is way too obvious. We see the lightsaber turn. We see it coming.When The emperor busy was frying Luke, Vader was turning both ways, conflicted. We felt his turmoil. Is he going to do it? then he finally does.

    Snoke? He is just trash talking Ren and conveniently closes his eyes while the saber turns.
     
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    He was a plot device for Kylo's character development. Isn't that enough?

    This reminds me of Hitchcock's famous talk about suspense:
    There is a distinct difference between "suspense" and "surprise," and yet many pictures continually confuse the two. I'll explain what I mean.

    We are now having a very innocent little chat. Let's suppose that there is a bomb underneath this table between us. Nothing happens, and then all of a sudden, "Boom!" There is an explosion. The public is surprised, but prior to this surprise, it has seen an absolutely ordinary scene, of no special consequence. Now, let us take a suspense situation. The bomb is underneath the table and the public knows it, probably because they have seen the anarchist place it there. The public is aware the bomb is going to explode at one o'clock and there is a clock in the decor. The public can see that it is a quarter to one. In these conditions, the same innocuous conversation becomes fascinating because the public is participating in the scene. The audience is longing to warn the characters on the screen: "You shouldn't be talking about such trivial matters. There is a bomb beneath you and it is about to explode!"

    In the first case we have given the public fifteen seconds of surprise at the moment of the explosion. In the second we have provided them with fifteen minutes of suspense. The conclusion is that whenever possible the public must be informed. Except when the surprise is a twist, that is, when the unexpected ending is, in itself, the highlight of the story.”

    So, his death being obvious is actually good storytelling. Btw the Emperor's death was also quite obvious.


    Kylo manipulated the all mighty Snoke. Ironic.
     
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    Snoke being just a plot device for Kylo Ren is lazy storytelling. If a random evil dude coms out of nowhere and disrupts everything, including the way you saw your previous characters from the last film, it behoves one to know what the person’s motivations are other than just generic CGI bad guy who can’t stop monologuing.

    When Vader talked with the Emperor, we understood everything about their relationship. With Snoke, we don’t know a whole lot. The dynamic is not as clear. How did Snoke seduce Ben? What was Snoke using Kylo Ren for? What was the long term goal?


    Yes Hitchcock said tension comes from knowing the bomb is going to go off. But we see it coming from a mile away. We see that it is so obvious it’s going to happen. Seeing the lightsaber actually turn just makes Snoke just plain stupid. It’s a strangely edited scene.


    We can assume the Emperor is going to die but we are still uncertain because we are not sure yet who Vader will choose. Is Vader going to save Luke in time?
     
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    Even though I also wanted a better backstory for Snoke than that what we actually got, I don't see Snoke disrupting everything. Maybe because I've never seen him as important as other people from the get got. For me Kylo was always the main villain to focus on.

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    :p

    Personally I liked it. I was like "Yes, do it. Come on do it!"

    ROTJ is a light-hearted fairy tale. It was obvious Luke wouldn't die and it was still powerful.
     
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    TLJ copies the exact same throne room scene in ROTJ. ROTJ is a movie about a father saving his father’s tortured soul.

    Don’t set up big mystery boxes in a trilogy if you have no intention of answering them. That’s bad storytelling.
     
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    Was it, though? He was talking in that particular moment how he saw his every thought, so there was a non-zero chance that he saw through Kylo's trick. Just minutes earlier, when Rey tried to get her lightsaber from him, he took it from her in such a way to make it seem like she was about to get it. Then, when she tries another trick, this time with Kylo's lightsaber, he also stops her. He also stops Kylo from doing some funny stuff in his first scene in the film. There is no moment in the film before that that could suggest that he'd get outsmarted. If you truly found it THAT obvious when you saw it for the first time then congratulations. I am amazed by your foresight. Bra-vo.
     
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    “I cannot be betrayed. I cannot be beaten.”

    When someone says that, what does that imply? Oh that he is going to be betrayed.

    Remember in The Incredibles, he says “he starts monologuing!” Snoke does the same thing. A generic CGI villain who is too busy talking gets cut in half. We don’t know his motives, why he is in this trilogy.

    Making him a red herring is cop out and just an excuse for not being able to truly expand upon the mythology fo the SW universe.
     
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    I don't care how the plot gets there, but I really want to see a HUGE battle between the Ewoks and the Gungans!!!! That would tie the trilogy together nicely!
     
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    YES! And I want them to fight on Canto Bight with the Ewoks riding the Fathiers and the slave children shouting “now this is horse racing”
     
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    Han was the original "spark". Solo opens with him sparking the speeder to hotwire it. later Bennett calls him Sparky. his sacrifice for his son broke Ben's allegiance to Snoke. Lucasfilm considers Han the heart the Star Wars (Luke is the spirit/soul).

    i think what i've always thought: the ST is about trauma and healing. for Rey, for Ben, for Finn (and to a different degree Poe and the OT heroes). i don't think the FO will be "defeated" so much as turned. i do think Hux will die because he's the example of someone beyond reach. i don't think Rey or Ben will rule the galaxy, but will go off alone together to figure out this whole Force thing and how to maintain balance. and i hope the new governance of the galaxy is confederated.
     
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    The Emperor was a plot device for 20 years until TPM made him more than that.
    He was a mere challenge for Vader to overcome for redemption. He's not even in the first movie.
    You know nothing about him except he's an evil prick.

    You can't apply THREE movies worth of backstory to the Emperor that came out 20 years AFTER the fact, to then say well that makes a character who exists in the world for....3 years....a lesser character.
     
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    But the OT had enough backstory that we did not need to know any more about him. We knew the Emperor brought down the fall of the Jedi and republic with Vader’s help. There was a clear dynamic. Emperor rules galaxy. But at the end of Jedi, he is dead.

    Now coms a new threat, a new mysterious ancient being, supposedly centuries old. Why is he there? What are his motivations? Why has he undone everything that was accomplished after the OT?

    You might have an argument if he was just called Supreme Leader but his name is Snoke and he is disfigured and angry. Why does he hate Luke other than he is just evil?

    If we saw Palpatine’s rise to power and then saw his downfall, resulting in a victory for the rebels then to have undone that in the very next film, it begs the question of why this happened? History repeating itself is not an excuse. No one asked for his origin story, just more context. Little things like exposition through a line or two could have solved this.
     
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