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Your ideas for IX's plot.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Episode IX' started by Sparafucile, Sep 27, 2018.

  1. Sparafucile

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    I don't see it, and wouldn't want it depicted as an excuse either.

    Here's how I see it.

    If the Skywalker line is created by Plagueis, and by its very creation an act of darkness, then the bloodline as a whole is tainted. Luke would therefor be proof that one can rise above the taint, but he would also be proof that it is a lifelong struggle and that there may always be a stronger than ordinary pull toward darker tendencies. Anakin also would be proof of this, although his larger body of work, and that for which he is remembered would be his time as Vader. Luke's major failure would be his loss of control standing above his nephew. Ben's, from what we know, would be more consistently evil than either of them so far.

    In no way is this an excuse, but I would see it as though Anakin wins a lottery and is rich beyond imagining. He desires to do good, but somewhere along the way he loses track of himself and the power that the money gives him goes to his head, and he becomes a tyrant. Cue Luke, who doesn't know he's wealthy but comes to realize it, soon after he's met with a challenge that his wealth could "fix" and because the wealth and power hasn't become second nature but is new and still respected and revered, he chooses right. By the time he trains Ben, the wealth has become old hat and he takes it for granted, thus his failure. Ben was raised with the wealth much as Anakin was, but he was further tainted by Plagueis, haunted by his family history, fed with a silver spoon with greater pressure due to the hero status of his parents. He's essentially the spoiled brat with daddy's money who's never been given boundaries. I think from what we've seen he fits that depiction quite well.

    So none of their wrongs are excused, but they can be understood. Replace money with Force and the analogy fits well. So no, they're transgressions are not excused, but based on their life experience, their failures can be understood and followed to its root of winning that lottery. In the end, had they not had that wealth, they would have never been placed in that position of power, thus would have likely lived pedestrian lives. In this case, they would likely have never existed.

    In contrast, Rey can show that someone can win a lottery and still maintain their core goodness. Or, her story could be the challenge of her life dealing with the responsibility of having that wealth of power that she never asked for and cannot get rid of.
    I don't know what movie talk, Outlaw Fan nor who Rocha is. I think I heard the term on Smallville a long time ago and once in a while, when I think it fits, I use it lol.
     
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    Movie Talk is a show on Youtube that reviews films. Rocha is one of the many host that reviews movies, for some reason he loved using the word, Gravitas, so much so it became contagious. The entire staff started using it and when they did they all laughed including Rocha. Rocha tried so hard not to use the word when reviewing a film but he could not help himself and it was too funny.
     
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    That's pretty funny. I haven't watched much on Youtube. I've always known it's there, just never bothered with it. I've watched more Youtube in the months I've joined the Cantina (just after TLJ release) than I have the whole of the rest of my life, but I find watching most of the hate videos on TLJ exhausting. I stumbled on Steven Crowder this week and so far I've been enjoying his "Change my mind" segments. I'm not even sure if it is Smallville where I picked up the word gravitas, but every time I use it I think of John Glover as Lionel Luthor lol. I'll have to check out Movie Talk. ;)
     
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    I believe that this trilogy could actually be more about those people behind the scenes that benefit from the galactic conflict, making both our heroes and villains the "victims". We're given a hint in The Last Jedi, that the galactic war is being pushed by those who profit from war, when DJ schools Finn on how the good guys aren't as morally clean as he thinks.

    'Good guys, bad guys...Made-up words. Let's see who formally owns this gorgeous hunk. This guy was an arms dealer. Made his bank selling weapons to the bad guys. Oh, and the good ones. Finn, let me learn you something big. It's all a machine, partner. Live free, don't join'.

    It strikes me that this will be a big thread for Finn's story. Many people are wondering what the point of his character and arc is - well, this is it. Finn is the one in the position to see how the war can truly be ended. Not only by leading a mutiny of the Stormtroopers but by targeting those that profit from war and want to see it continue. So that's Finn's story, that's what will keep the Resistance busy. But what about Rey?

    The shocking demise of Snoke in
    The Last Jedi, appears to have removed The Big Bad from the story. Many question, including myself, if Kylo Ren is strong enough a villain. Or rather, are we know him so intimately that he doesn't hold the same weight as a Snoke, or Palpatine or even Vader. I also believe it to be expected that Kylo will be redeemed in some way. It just doesn't sit well with me that the goodness of Vader's redemption in Return of the Jedi, will be undone. So who will the "main villain" be? My view is that it could be someone we have yet to meet. Someone behind the scenes who has manipulated the galactic conflict since day one. Those that know me, know that I am a strong proponent of bringing Plagueis back into the mix. And I believe he could fit this role perfectly - in that not only does it fit the mould of profiteering from war but also that I have long believed that if Plagueis survived, he did so through the strength of the Dark Side - which is empowered by war. Think back to the opening crawl of Revenge of the Sith:

    'War! The Republic is crumbling under attacks by the ruthless Sith Lord, Count Dooku. There are heroes on both sides. Evil is everywhere'.

    Plagueis or not, what has been apparent throughout the saga is that the real villain has always been The Dark Side. And the Dark Side is first and foremost: GREED. And it is that greed that brought about the fall of the Republic in the PT and then the rise of the FO in the ST. The reason why the OT didn't end the story was because it merely dealt with the demise of the Sith. Luke Skywalker succeeded in his mission to redeem his father and destroy the Empire, but it didn't deal with the bigger picture. The ideals of the Empire remained. Those that benefitted from war lived on. The conflict was bound to restart and evil would once again take over.

    Maz Kanata hints at all this in The Force Awakens:

    'I've seen evil take many forms. The Sith. The Empire. Today, it is the First Order'.

    It's an endless cycle where conflict is merely temporary but ready to explode at any time and consume the galaxy - and if not for the Jedi, it would do so forever. Of course, one cannot ever rid the galaxy of evil. There will always be greed and fear and hatred. But what Rey needs to do is end this cycle of galactic conflict. And that means, along with Finn, need to do something different. They can't just kill the Sith/bad guys - they must kill the ideology that motivates them. That means cutting off the head of the beast which spreads this ideology. And that in my mind are the greedy profiteers of war.

    So I believe early on in IX we might be introduced to these greedy warmongers who manipulate both sides. This then means at some point, that Rey and Ren must once again unite to defeat them. So the battle for Rey to redeem Ren alongside Finn's mission to
    redeem the Stormtroopers is about them changing the ideologies of the bad guys rather than just destroying them. There will always be another Kylo. There will always be another FO, as there was another Empire. The important thing is "victory" isn't achieved by destroying those that fight for the ideology, but by destroying the ideology itself - something we know all too well in the real world with religious extremism. I believe that these extremists in our world are manipulated by those at the top who seek power. Religion is a great weapon and is used to manipulate those into committing abhorrent acts against their fellow man. It has been used across time to get the people behind the cause of their despotic rulers/leaders. But it is a tool of those greedy individuals at the top who seek more and more power/wealth. And in the Star Wars universe, the religion of the Force, has been used in the same way. This is what Ren has to realise. And I believe this is what will bring him to his senses. To be honest, he's already thinking along the right kind of lines but it has become poisoned. He wants to destroy it all and start from scratch. But he's looking through a narrow tunnel and can't see the bigger picture. He can't see those above him manipulating his every move. He believes killing Snoke makes him the master. It doesn't. It just makes him the chief puppet.

    What Ren needs to discover is both that his inner conflict and the galaxy conflict, that he wants to end, can be defeated by letting go of his own greed and destroying these greedy individuals above him. This is also helps The Last Jedi make more sense, story wise. For now we can see that it will be a huge challenge to redeem him (for Rey) and at the same time provide Ren with chance to see at some point that "doing what Vader didn't manage" isn't all it's cracked up to be.

    So I see that being the theme at the heart of the story. In practice, I think we'll see Ren be displaced as leader of the FO midway through the film and slowly be redeemed until a climax at the end sees him and Rey face off against whoever the hell is at the top of all this. Meanwhile, the other thread will be Finn trying to win over the FO stormtroopers from under Hux's feet in order to end what would in conflict be an endless war.
     
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    Rumours of this 'World Between Worlds' portal, from Rebels, turning up in IX intrigues me. Perhaps this is where Plagueis could've found a way to survive and into which Rey/Ren/Luke must travel to defeat him? Pure speculation of course...but interesting how this element from Rebels that I only heard about today (from that set leak image) lends itself to the notion of Plagueis existing in another realm.
     
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    Ok, so I think I’ve cracked the whole plot twist for episode 9 and the trilogy as a whole.

    What if Luke creatd Rey with the force in an attempt to counter Ben’s rise to the dark side?

    What if he went in search of sith artefacts and went to the island to accomplish this? Would explain certain leaks at the moment with Luke possessing the science of creating life book.

    I think honestly it would be the best way to explain Reys origin because at this stage it would not be satisfying to just either say hey look it’s THIS person or THAT person who are your parents, or at the same time just leave her as Rey random.

    I think this theory can also explain Ben’s revelation to Rey about her “parents” as they could quite easily be her foster parents that Ben saw.
     
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    fascinating..
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    my first instinct was "nah mate.. you've lost the plot! :p". but it did get me thinking..

    it made me think of these lines from ROTS..
    OBI-WAN: With all due respect, Master, is he not the Chosen One? Is he not to destroy the Sith and bring balance to the Force?
    MACE: So the prophecy says.
    YODA: A prophecy . . . that misread could have been.

    what if the Jedi themselves came up with a way of creating life thousands of years ago using the force?.. and whilst they may never have actually done it, they perhaps concluded that one day someone powerful enough with the force might be able to succeed - and that the resulting child would be a pure product of the force and would be able to save them all. as the years passed, and with the 'instructions' lost/hidden, this simply became a prophecy that a child of the force would magically appear one day and bring balance.

    so now i'm falling down that rabbit hole faster than i can type this.. perhaps Luke did find these 'instructions' and performed something that created Rey.
    and as i'm falling even faster now.. giving validity to this ridiculous notion.. who (was it a jedi?) created Anakin?
     
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    After all these years @master_shaitan, I see you're still riding the choo-choo Plagueis train!

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    Now, laser brain, about your latest Plagueis delusions:

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    Truth be told, I actually like your ideas, especially the idea of exploring the Netherworld and the Cosmic realm of the Force with the Jedi ghosts.

    Does that mean I'm back on the Plagueis train? :)

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    Shut up, Obi-Wan!
     
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    Here goes nothing.... (Sorry its probably a little too detailed)

    Act 1

    It starts with the Knights of Ren Checking Lando into a FO prison. It is suggested through subtext that Lando is right where he wants to be. A woman is in the cell across from his and he seems to recognize her.

    From there we go to the resistance. Sometime has past since episode VIII. The resistance has gained some followers and built out some out posts in various locations. Leia sends Finn, Chewie and Rey on a mission to one of these hideouts to resupply them and gather a report.

    Cut to Kylo Ren in his throne room. He is seen as a good benevolent leader which has made it vastly difficult for the resistance to find people to join them. While in his throne Kylo and Hux chat about their new plan. The plan is to bring all of the systems into a universe wide leadership under Kylo. His plan is to unite them through the promise of a free world where nothing requires payment you live as you wish and the government provides for you. You go to a diner and they just give you food. this is on the assumption that all are pulling there weight to keep resources and nobody is taking advantage of anyone else. Those who fall out of line are executed. Hux has brought one such scum to be judged by the Supreme leader. A young woman who has been rabble rousing against Kylo Ren. A voice tells Kylo to kill her. it can be heard that its Snoke's voice. but another follows saying this isn't you Ben. It's Han solo. it speaks again "Fight the dark side". Kylo Ren throws her out telling her to stop what shes doing or she'll be executed. Hux takes the moment to tell Kylo he should have killed her, that they can't let this riff raff roam free. Kylo chokes Hux and says "You dare question the supreme leader again a voice from in Kylo's head speaks, "good, good, take control of your destiny.

    Cut to Rey and Chewie landing on a remote location on some planet. They are greeted by Snap Wexley and Rose Tico. Rose, Finn and Chewie begin unloading the cargo whilst Rey receives the report from Snap. Things haven't been going well at this outpost. Some of the people are questioning Leia's leadership. They think she may be too old and stuck in the past. They have started calling her a war monger.

    Cut to the FO prison Lando approaches the female inmate in the mess hall. He calls her Q'ira. He tries to recruit her saying that he's got a way out of this prison in a few days. she exclaims that this prison is her penance. Lando apologies for not coming sooner, he tells her Han is dead. Cut to Poe and Leia at the Resistance headquarters. Poe expresses frustration in their inability to convince people that Ren is evil. Leia then tells a story of when Ben was a child. She goes on to tell poe how even she wants to throw in the towel in this fight as she is fight her little boy. she tells him it breaks her heart everyday knowing she lost her husband because of her un-resolve to just end her son. Leia explains her inner conflict to Poe. Poe says you just made it more difficult for me to hate the guy. They laugh and Leia gives Poe a mission to the FO Prison to free Lando and Q'ira.

    Cut to Kylo Ren he is alone in his chambers pacing Snokes voice can be heard saying things like, "You've done well in my absence" and "You have true resolve" and other such nonsense about following the darkside this is interupted by the voice of Luke Skywalker telling Ben that Snoke is wrong. A force ghost of Luke materializing before Ren. Luke says "I'm sorry Ben, I did fail you, But everyday you fail your mother, and your father," Kylo spits back "They failed me... the moment things became to hard for them they dumped me on you. They diagnosed me as the problem and said here you go Luke fix it." Luke "that's not what happened" They are interrupted by one of the Knights of Ren. He tells Kylo that General Calrissian has been sent to the Prison on Bakura. The Knight doesn't seem to see Luke or hear him when he says "Lando". Kylo tells The Knight to have a ship prepared. Kylo turns back to Luke. He says "It's too late for me Luke, you know its true, thats why you tried to kill me". Luke looks at Kylo ashamed all he can say is "Ben I.."

    Cut to Poe gathering his team to go break Lando out of prison. He tells them the plan and the head out.

    Cut to Rey Chewie and Finn at the outpost. Rey tells Chewie Finn what snap told her and that they need to help solidify the resolve before they leave. Finn heads out of the hideout and he sees everyone doing random activities. Finn starts a speech. He tells them that Leia is to be trusted. He says he's seen what the first order does in person. He reveals that he was a storm trooper and that He worked directly under Kylo Ren. He says Kylo is merciless and wouldn't hesitate to kill anyone. He reassures everyone that the man they see in the holo feed claiming to have the galaxies best interest is fiction. Finn knows the real man to be evil. Chewie grabs Finn and is clearly upset with him. Rey translates for chewie. "Chewie doesn't appreciate the way Finn is speaking about Ben. Chewie is furious at Ben for what he did to Han but he still cares about Ben and feels like its his responsibility to Save Ben" Chewie breaks down crying Finn apologizes he says "I didn't know Chewie I'm sorry".

    Cut to Bakura Prison Lando tries talking to Q'ira in their cells. She tells Lando that she did something horrible. She tells Lando that it wasn't betraying Han. She says "I never should have left her" The Warden shows up with Kylo Ren. Lando: "Ben! so good to see you" Lando's normal charm seemed absent from this statement, sarcasm was still there. They discuss Han and Lando says Han and Leia would never abandon their son. He goes on to say that Han was the best man he ever knew even if he did take his ship. Q'ira stays silent this whole time. their conversation is cut off by and explosion. A prison battle occurs Lando is rescued by Poe. They are stopped by Kylo who draws his light saber. Kylo is surprised by Q'ira who uses the force to take his lightsaber. she pushes him against the wall and starts to force choke him. She screams at him telling him that Han deserved a better son. She nearly kills him then drops the saber and Kylo. Q'ira turns around and joins Lando and Poe they escape the prison. Kylo is angry confused and stunned.

    Act 1 End.....

    Act 2 coming soon.
     
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    I know I already posted a plot summary but I still have stuff floating in my head:

    The movie begins with Poe and Finn on the Bothan planet. The Bothans refuse to help the Rebellion because of how many of them died during the last galactic war.
    It is revealed they are now in bed with the FO. The heroes are captured and but are able to escape.

    Lando and Ahsoka Tano are captured by the FO but make a deal with Hux. Hux helps them escape and capture Kylo Ren.

    Kylo Ren is in a coma at the Rebel base and has a vision:

    Kylo Ren is on Mustafar. He sees Vader's castle. Vader walks down the stairs and transforms into Sebastian Stan. He comes face to face with Kylo and transforms into Hayden Christiansen Anakin. Anakin congratulates him and shows him images of all the awful things he's done to become Supreme Leader. Kylo says he doesn't need to see all this and thrusts his saber into Anakin's belly. Anakin then puts his hand on Ben's cheek and transforms into Han Solo falling to his death. Kylo's guilt catches up to him.

    Kylo is redeemed.

    The KOR use unnatural dark side powers to resurrect Snoke a.k.a Plageuis.

    Ben and Rey use the Force connection between themselves to combine their powers and destroy Plageuis.

    The Bothans return to help fight with the rebellion as they have switched sides again. They help turn the tide. FO is defeated.

    Rey helps rebuild the republic while Ben travels the galaxy seeking those in need.

    The end.
     
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    That's actually a pretty cool scene. Especially because they could show everything what happened with Kylo and his reign during the time jump between TLJ and IX. Furthermore it's always neat to bring back Hayden and Harrison.
     
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    Well first... I think everything can still happen.
    To me TLJ and its finale are more open than many of us think it is.
    And I also think this is pretty consistent with the idea that each director was given
    of a lot (if not total) freedom.

    With that being said... @master_shaitan I really enjoyed your post.
    And sure things may go like that.

    Personally - however - I’d prefer not to see any new main villain.
    It’s too late for me. And I’d love to see Kylo used as the big, main threat up untill the end.
    That the killing of both Han and Snoke were the premises to make of him
    a terrific villain.

    I’d love to see him introduced in IX as we never saw him.
    Selfsure and intimidating.

    But more than that... just because all the other things you talked about.

    I think that Ren may be the embodiment of a regime that is essentially... a theocracy.
    Not only a tiranny.
    If he wants to get rid of all the past, the Jedi, the Republic and the Siths and Empire too
    If he wants to finish what Vader - the Chosen One - started or was unable to achieve...
    that to me would be pretty consistent.

    His regime may be something totally new in SW terms.
    The regime of the a deity...
    Or to say it better, of someone that thinks of himself that he is a kind of deity.

    He may perceive and present himself as the rightful ruler the galaxy needs...
    not only because he has the right blood, but the mighty blood of the Skywalker.
    Just because he is the offspring of the Chosen One.

    Something more similar to a Pharaoh - a divine ruler - than a tyrant of any kind.

    He may be the embodiment of a regime that is both political and spiritual.
    Something Emperor Palpatine never was.
    The Old Empire wasn’t a theocracy. He was a Force weilder, sure.
    But in secret. And the Empire (see Ep. Iv) was laical if not atheists.
    There’s a big difference.

    Another good point, imo, is that in doing so they may underline the other theme they seem to care so
    much about, without any need of rectconing Ep VIII.
    That blood doesn’t matter, virtue does.
    Because the true Skywalker legacy will be carried out by those that will
    understand what that legacy is really about.

    Then as the movie goes on, as Hux’s betrayal takes shape, as the rebellion gain
    ground... as Force Ghost Luke starts hunting him... he becomes more and more
    paranoid.
    Even more so, if he is/was sure that he had to do what he did...
    because his destiny - and that of his family - was to do what he is doing.
    If a divine Skywalker finally rules the Galaxy, he cannot loose.
    He has to win.
    He’s unbeatable.

    Turns out he is not.

    And not. Paranoid doesn’t mean not scaring.
    One that sees all his/her illusions going down, burning into dust,
    people like that, with nothing to loose these are the most scaring. They’re totally
    unpredictable.

    I’d love something under those lines.

    And something under those line... fits well with the Plagueis reveal.

    But @Sparafucile let’s make it clear... if so, this is a very traditional trope.
    That of a self fulfilling prophecy.
    Plagueis knew about it.
    Fearing that Chosen One would have distroy him and/or the Sith, he created the CO to use him
    at his own advantage. In doing so... the events were set in montion, and the prophecy fulfilled.
    In addition...
    One may believe that if so the Skywalkers are cursed.
    Luke may believe that.
    That could give additional reasons for his behavior in TLJ.
    He may believe that creating Anakin Plagueis interfered with the course of events.
    That that was not how things were supposed to go.
    That only the Force knows how things were supposed to go.
    Etc...
    So the Jedi and the Skywalkers ( I came here to die) have to die, to let the Force gain
    the rein once and for all.
    Meaning also... that just because he is a Skywalker, and Ben Solo too, he should have never
    teach him or any one else...

    It’s complicated... but I hope you get the point.

    In a scenario like that... many things could get an explanation and being tied.

    As long as by the end of the movie and of the saga... it’s made clear
    That everything did go according to the Force will.
    That everything went as it was supposed to go.

    That the Skywalker were at the same time the poison and the antidote.
    They were so special... they may not be anymore.
    The exception in the history of the galaxy.

    But their lesson is understood.

    A new Republic or the unite nations of the galaxy and the new Jedi,
    both different than those we saw in the PT era arise.

    End.

    But I still hold care my #crazytheory.

    By the end of the movie...
    Just because Plegueis altered the course of events, stealing Anakin’s life (his midiclorians)
    from x future and using Shmi as a surrogate mother... He still has to be really born.
    And he does.

    An end that is also a beginning while Twin Suns plays.
    It rhymes, like poetry.

    I love this craziness. Sorry.
     
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    Since it's almost October 31st, how about some spooky Halloween ideas?

    WARNING
    The following fan-fiction contains ideas that are ridiculous in nature that many readers will find disturbing AND/OR confusing AND/OR BORING.
    Reader discretion advised.

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    Member Return of the Jedi? ‘Member Ghostbusters?

    Oh, I love to ‘member those movies!

    ‘Member that fruitcake who stole their ideas and mashed them with supernatural horror?

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    ‘Member ghosts? ‘Member demonic possessions? ‘Member cosmicism? ‘Member eldritch abominations?

    ‘Member…

    SPOOK WARS: EPISODE IX – BUSTING OF THE GHOST?

    Using his parapsychological expertise, Fuzzball uses his great powers to summon the evil Snoke from the dead. Hell-bent on returning to a fresh physical body, Supreme Leader Kylo Ren is haunted by the spectre of his former master. Detecting a great disturbance in the Cosmic realm of the Force, Luke Skywalker senses imminent danger surrounding his renegade nephew…

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    'Member that villain drawn up in early concept for The Force Awakens?

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    Snoke transforms into a hot female?

    Or ‘member that guy from the Clone Wars?
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    That’s Yoda, you dork!

    OK, I know what you must be thinking right now. "Fuzzball, you're crazy!", "Fuzzball, lay off those damn memberberries", "Fuzzball, you need to get some therapy".

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    Good, because if there’s one thing worth doing on the Internet, it’s toying with crazy theories about crusty old dead guys, am I right?

    Let's be honest here, if you haven't got at least one theory involving some old crusty dead guy (whether that guy be Snoke or Luke or Obi-Wan or some other old fart), you're doing Star Wars all WRONG!

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    If Rey and Finn can have this much fun playing with their action figures...

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    Or if Kylo can have this much fun...
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    (Trust me, that’s his happy face)

    … Then why can’t I have just as much fun playing with my imaginary Snoke toy on the Internet?
    [Even if he’s broken, past his expiry date, and nobody else wants to play with him, I don’t care!]

    Snoke still means something to me, GOD DAMN IT! :mad::(

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    Stop whining, man-child, and get some superglue!

    Spook Wars: Scene #1 — Luke the Friendly Ghost

    In the first act of Spoof Wars, Luke appears to Rey to give her guidance about facing Kylo again—mirroring Yoda and Obi-Wan guiding him before he faced Vader and the Emperor in Return of the Jedi.

    [Excitedly, Fuzzball takes his imaginary Luke and Rey action figures into each hand] :D

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    LUKE: You must confront Kylo Ren once again.
    REY: I’m ready.

    Luke pauses to study her. He looks disappointed.

    LUKE [shaking his head]: You are not ready yet, young Rey.
    REY [stunned]: Why not?

    Luke sighs.

    LUKE: You still believe there is good in him. I sense it within you.
    REY: No. Not anymore.
    LUKE: Deep down, you bury your true feelings.
    REY: I thought I could turn him, but I was wrong. I won’t make that mistake again, I promise.
    LUKE: No, I was wrong, not you. There IS still good in him. Ben saved your life. He must be turned.
    REY: I can’t do it. I can’t save him.
    LUKE: Yes, you can. Ben needs your help.
    REY [angry]: He’s gone! Why can’t you accept it?
    LUKE: Rey, you have not yet witnessed the full power of the Force. I have been to the realm beyond the Living. I have seen the Cosmic Force. Its energy always seeks to be kept in balance, but I have felt a terrible darkness growing. I fear it seeks to destroy Ben…
    REY: You never had the strength to do it, did you? Just like Vader, you can’t kill your own flesh and blood. You’d rather watch the Resistance burn.
    LUKE [saddened]: If you believe killing him will end this war, you are deeply mistaken.
    REY [determined]: I’m not afraid of the truth like you are. I will finish what you couldn’t. I will kill Kylo Ren and you will not stop me.

    Gee, what happened to all those corny jokes? I thought this was going to be a paranormal comedy like Ghostbusters (aka a parady). This Snoke theory sucks!

    Spook Wars: Scene #2 — I ain’t afraid of no Snoke

    Supreme Leader Kylo is residing in his private chamber. Desperate to hunt down and find Rey, he calls on the Force to attempt communication, but to no avail. Instead, he is reunited with another familiar presence...

    [Excitedly, Fuzzball takes his imaginary Kylo and Snoke action figures into each hand] :D

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    [Is it wrong if I dress my imaginary Kylo action figure in Snoke’s gold robe? He is the Supreme Leader after all.]

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    [Since there’s no ghost version of Snoke available on the toy market yet (and my current one is broken), I’ve settled for the next best thing. That’s right, it’s STINKIE, Stinkie Snoke!].

    STINKIE GHOST: You have done well, Supreme Leader. The Force has grown strong in you.
    KYLO: I swear I recognise that foul stench. Who are you?
    STINKIE GHOST: Relax, Kylo Ren. Do you not smell recognise your old master?
    KYLO: Luke? Don't you Jedi ever wash?

    Kylo pauses in silence as an even more terrifying thought crosses his mind.

    KYLO: Snoke?
    SNOKE: I told you that I could not be betrayed, that I could not be beaten.
    KYLO: It can't be. I killed you!
    SNOKE [smiles]: My gratitude is all yours. No longer am I burdened with that useless corpse. Beyond death is where true power lies.

    Kylo, incensed, draws his lightsaber and attempts to stab the ghostly figure, but the attack injures Kylo instead, hurling him to the floor.

    SNOKE: Now, you will give me my greatest desire. A new body of young Skywalker blood!

    Snoke attempts to infiltrate deeper into Kylo’s mind. Kylo grabs his head in great pain.

    SNOKE: Do not fight it. Learn to use my power and that girl will not stop you.
    KYLO: I don’t need you anymore. I am the Supreme Leader!
    SNOKE: Indeed you are. Yet soon enough you will beg for my help once again!

    Kylo is clutching his head with his two hands as hard as he can.

    KYLO: GET OUT OF MY HEAD!
    SNOKE: You cannot escape your destiny. You will always be mine.

    Kylo summons everything he can to resist the dark presence. With a great struggle, Kylo manages to rid himself of the demonic spirit…
    for now.

    The Throne Room

    In Return of the Jedi, soon before meeting his demise, the Emperor took Luke’s lightsaber and placed it on his throne.

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    In The Last Jedi, the same happened with Snoke—he took “Kylo’s” lightsaber and placed it on his throne too.

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    Wow! That totally means something important! :rolleyes

    What if Snoke had learnt a key lesson from the Emperor’s betrayal?


    In the Emperor’s case, he took Luke’s lightsaber to test him and to provoke him to use it. He wanted Luke to strike down what he hated most:

    EMPEROR: You want this, don't you? The hate is swelling in you now. Take your Jedi weapon. Use it. I am unarmed. Strike me down with it. Give in to your anger. With each passing moment, you make yourself more my servant.

    EMPEROR: Good. I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your weapon! Strike me down with all your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete.

    Re-apply those quotes in the context of Snoke and you have Spook Wars! Whereas the Emperor was testing Luke, Snoke was testing Kylo. Snoke wanted Kylo to strike him down so he could complete his true goal.

    Transcending Death

    Transcending death has been a recurring (yet underlying) theme throughout Star Wars. With the re-introduction of Yoda, and the transformation of Luke, what about an opposing threat to the Jedi in the spirit realm?

    "We've seen dead Jedi come back as blue ghosts. Maybe Sith can come back. And maybe there's some all-powerful Sith that's controlling whatever the dark side is. We did talk a lot about how the final battle frontier for Jedi might be in the spirit realm. So you have to have a bad-guy ghost." — The Art of the Last Jedi

    From the Expanded Universe, whereas the Jedi had let go of their physical self to attain the immortal, the dark side required something tangible to possess.

    “The ability to transcend death is not exclusive to Jedi: Emperor Palpatine and the ancient Sith Lords Marka Ragnos managed to preserve their psyches after their deaths, but it seems their spiritual forms were restricted by certain boundaries and limitations" — From (Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force)

    In the moments before we’ve seen Jedi die, we’ve seen them focus internally in trance-like meditation. Facing life-or-death, the Jedi cleared their minds and focused on being one with the Force for inner strength.

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    In a similar situation, we have Snoke:

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    The difference is Snoke wasn’t focusing internally or inwards to be at one with the Force like the Jedi. Instead, he was focusing outwards solely on being at one with the mind of his own apprentice.

    If Snoke wanted to preserve his spirit somewhere powerful, where else than the mind of Kylo Ren?

    SNOKE: I see his mind. I see his every intent.

    “Each dark side spirit has a focal point of power that anchors it in the physical world. For example, the interred Sith Lords of Korriban use their burial sarcophagi to hold their spirits for millennia after death." — From (The Dark Side Sourcebook-EU)

    From the Emperor in Legends, he originally used clones to transfer his essence, but discovered the child of Leia and Han, Anakin Solo, would offer far better resistance against the ravaging effects of the dark side on his body. Their child was the only one identified with having the correct genetic material for his plan to work.

    “Palpatine traveled to Korriban, the hidden world-crypt of the Sith Lords and Palpatine's private place of power. Here among the vaults containing the mortal remains of thousands of Sith lords, Palpatine would ask for the Sith spirit's help in halting the decay of his flesh. Instead the spirits fed him a vision of the infant Anakin Solo. Palpatine would have to transfer his spirit into the child.” — From (Star Wars Handbook # 3 - Dark Empire)

    “Because the clones can only contain his evil for limited time, Palpatine strives to take possession of a strong Jedi body. The unborn Solo child would be that vessel, and Luke Skywalker would aid Palpatine in getting it.” — From (Star Wars: The Ultimate Visual Guide)

    “Palpatine also knew that Luke's sister, Leia Organa Solo, would attempt to rescue her brother, and unwittingly hand over that which Palpatine truly desired.” —From (Star Wars Handbook # 3 - Dark Empire)

    Similar to the Emperor from Legends or Vigo the Carpathian from Ghostbusters II, what if Snoke selected Ben Solo from an early age as the vessel for his own essence transfer plan?



    Spook Wars: Scene #3 — Who you gonna call?

    So the stage is now set for the final showdown. We’ve got Rey, Luke, Kylo and Stinkie Snoke!

    All we need now are the Ghostbusters!

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    LUKE [worried]: Oh no, not those guys! Those dorks almost killed me!



    LUKE: You need to call the JEDI Ghostbusters!

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    DR. VENKMAN: There they are. Sic 'em, boys!

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    [I was planning to act out the final scene to Spoof Wars, but I’ve only got two hands after all! The toy-to-hand ratio would be all wrong! Instead, I’ll tell you what happens:

    Luke (and the ghostbusters) appear before Kylo and Snoke—light and dark spirits fighting over the soul of Ben Solo. The Jedi tell Kylo that Snoke’s power will consume him. Snoke tells Kylo he needs his power to defeat the Jedi ghosts.

    Ultimately, Kylo refuses to accept Snoke’s power. Consequently, Snoke goes after Rey and begins torturing her.

    Despite trying to stop Snoke, Kylo is not strong enough. The Jedi are, but don’t intervene because they know any attack on Snoke would potentially destroy Kylo as well. They fear they have to kill Kylo to save Rey. Having no other option, Kylo gives into Snoke’s demand to save Rey. This finally gives Snoke full possession of Kylo’s mind and body.

    Having lost control of his own consciousness, Kylo enters beyond the Living Force and into the Cosmic realm. He accesses the darkest areas of the Netherworld. The equivalent of hell. Chaos. The void. The Unknown. He enters a terrible place where evil spirits and cosmic beings dwell.

    'Member 2001: A Space Odyssey? 'Member the Star Gate?

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    With Kylo gone beyond the infinite, Snoke seeks to destroy Rey and the Jedi. Now we have a “Kylo” vs Rey duel.

    Snoke over-matches Rey and the Jedi are forced to try and save her from dying. The Jedi are able to restrain Snoke.

    Meanwhile, Kylo is going crazy, able to feel the pain the Jedi are exerting on him. He begins to sees visions of past and future:

    Kylo sees the tragic past of Anakin through brief flashbacks. He sees a young boy with his mother. He sees Anakin manipulated to the dark side by Sidious. Then, Kylo sees very similar flashbacks of his own tragic past. The same cycle repeating itself. He sees himself as a young child with his mother. He sees himself manipulated to the dark side by Snoke.

    Kylo also sees glimpses into the future. He sees an old man on a throne staring back at him.

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    The man looks like the Emperor or Snoke, but it isn’t. It’s him. This is the same future that had left Luke terrified that night in the hut. Ironically, Ben is just as horrified by the same vision his uncle once perceived. Kylo sees himself killing Rey, killing Leia, killing the Resistance, killing everything. It’s a awful Lovecraftian Cosmic nightmare for him.​

    With the Jedi restraining Snoke, Rey now has it in her grasp to kill him. But she can't go through with it. She knows it will kill Kylo as well. Instead, Rey reaches out to commune with Kylo. Using the strong Force bond they have, Rey transfers her consciousness over to the other realm.

    Kylo is in complete despair at the thought he is powerless to stop Snoke. Kylo expresses to Rey that he didn’t want it to end like this. His intention was never to become a monster like Snoke. Kylo, crying, tells Rey that he’s sorry for everything that he has become.

    Rey tells Kylo that they can defeat Snoke together. She tells him that she forgives him, that he has the strength to do what is right. She reaches out to grab his hand and tells him to “let go.”

    Kylo lets go and embraces the Light. He then is able to release himself from the Netherworld. By letting go (like Luke did in TLJ), Snoke is destroyed along with Kylo himself.

    Spook Wars: Ending

    But is that the end of Ben Solo?
    • Does he become a Force ghost after sacrificing himself (the same as Anakin)?
    • Or… does Ben return from the netherworld ALIVE embracing the power of the light side?
    Ummm... NO!

    This is how Spook Wars really ends:

    After Rey and Kylo touched hands and sacrificed themselves, they upset the balance even greater than ever before. The Force responds with an even more powerful evolution of Force-user:

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    That’s right, Kylo and Rey impregnated the Force and created a GIANT FORCE BABY!

    You thought little darling Anakin was something special? How about a monster baby the size of a freakin’ planet but with the power of 10 Starkiller Bases COMBINED? How you going to stop that? :confused:

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    That's right, the Resistance and First Order will unite together to create a GIANT MARSHMALLOW MAN the size of a freakin' planet but with the power of 10 Starkiller Bases COMBINED!

    Their plan is to stop the giant evil baby with CUTENESS!

    Who will win?

    Find out in...

    SPOOK WARS: EPISODE X — BABY SKYCRAWLER VS MARSHMALLOW MAN

    DISCLAIMER: No toys were harmed in the making of this story (but my brain was).
     
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    The plot could be anything, which is a sign that there is no story.

    After two films.
     
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    I can't find the thread here for potential E9 titles?
     
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    I've a hunch it will be called just 'Star Wars' I think they'll throw the kitchen sink at it. They haven't had time to write a tight focused story so instead I think they'll go the crowd pleasing route. It'll be carried by the action and character interaction, kind of like Infinity war. I could see it running even longer than TLJ.


    One thing i don't think they'll do but which I find interesting is if they had Kylo Ren being shadowed by Luke most of the film trying to guide him and Rey being without a teacher and frustrated by passive, benevolent teachings of the books in a time of desperate war stumbles onto a holocron of Sidious in his deceptive Palpatine guise pretending to be a 'humble teacher' that tries to manipulate her into falling to the dark side before revealing himself fully.

    Rey reluctantly feeling she needs the power he can teach for the greater good of stopping The First Order and on the other side. Luke is not trying to turn Kylo Ren, because he knows he can't but still trying to teach/guide him to make the best of a bad situation as he holds so much power Kylo eventually acquiesces because he's frustrated he isn't all powerful and knows Luke has a greater understanding of the force. It could also be an interesting dilemma for Rey that Luke isn't interested in helping her so she doesn't have anyone else to turn to for guidance.

    Luke's motivation is trying to undo some of the damage he did, Sidious wants to restore the Sith and believes Rey to be a better bet than Kylo Ren.

    It would be interesting if Kylo and actually learns something and Rey falls somewhat throughout the film. Luke subtley manipulates him back on the right path, the odd word here or there, a line to help him temper his emotions. Rey's power grows exponentially after tapping into the dark side and she rushes off to kill Kylo Ren.

    So in the final lightsaber battle it's actually Kylo Ren trying to temper Rey's dark tendencies and it takes him sacrificing himself, probably by way of destroying some galaxy destroying super weapon the FO built as a final resort perhaps even with Luke's ghost as guidance and that somehow (I dunno, I'm not a writer) pulls Rey back from the brink. The weapon would have to be huge and almost unstoppable once powered up and would have to take a remarkable feat with the force to destroy it. Kylo dies after this feat, mirroring Luke's sacrifice in TLJ.

    There you get your nice parallel to ROTJ but it's just different enough to 'rhyme' instead of feeling like a rehash.
     
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    Here's my outline:

    The movie begins with Kylo Ren and Rey sharing a dream about a lightsaber duel - in which Kylo Ren is killed by Rey.

    Both are afraid of encountering each other, afraid the vision will come true. They communicate occasionally with each other via Force Skype.

    Kylo Ren wears a white tunic in this film, to signify both his new status as Supreme Leader and his conflict with the Light. He shares a throne room with his KoR. In one scene, the KoR will indicate that they used to be Luke's students, confirming the popular suspicion.

    Poe is the leader of the Resistance. It is stated that Leia passed away in the interim, of natural causes.

    Rey sees Luke's ghost, who assures her that her parents weren't "nobody", because they were somebody to her, and that they would be proud of her if they could see her. The audience is left to decide if there is any hidden meaning here, if her parents were special or not. Kylo Ren seeks out Luke's ghost for guidance/reconcilliation, but ends up only more angry at him.

    The Force kids are a sort of McGuffin throughout the movie. Rey tries training a few of them. One of them, a young boy, becomes her main padawan. Kylo Ren dispatches the KoR to either kidnap or kill the other Force kids.

    Rey makes a new lightsaber, with a green blade.

    There would be a subplot where Hux and a few others think Kylo Ren is going insane (which he very well may be), and is unfit to be leader. They stage an unsuccessful coup, which ends with Hux being killed by Kylo Ren.

    Throughout the film, Kylo Ren becomes more and more apparently plagued by his evil actions - plagued by his guilt.

    There is a huge battle, bigger than any ever seen, over a capitol planet the FO have control of, and where Kylo Ren lives. The Resistance's relationship with Maz Kanata finally pays off big, when she mobilizes an entire army of pirates to help in the final battle in space, while a huge ground battle against the FO is taking place in the ecumenopolis below. Meanwhile, Finn is inspiring an uprising amongst the Stormtrooper ranks, starting a revolution against the FO.

    Rey finally finds resolve to take down Kylo Ren, no matter what it takes - even if it does mean killing him. She goes to face him, knowing that that may be the outcome - a risk she is willing to take. She and her padawans face the KoR, who are guarding Kylo Ren. Some padawan are lost, but eventually Rey defeats the rest of the KoR. She chases Kylo Ren into his palace, where the final duel takes place - a duel amongst the light and shadow of the palace. The final moment comes - their duel is just like the dream. But this time, when Rey sees her opening, she doesn't kill Kylo Ren - she can't do it. Instead, she merely disarms him, cutting his lightsaber in half.

    She changed fate. Reality was different than the vision. Kylo says to her "we've been through this before - just do it!" But she can't. She lowers the lightsaber and turns it off. She pleads with Kylo Ren to change, to join him, to teach a new generation of Jedi. He says "It's too late. I can't live with this pain, this guilt." Rey assures him that he doesn't need to be afraid, that she will help him with anything. He comes up to her, moving from the shadows to the light, and in a surprising move, he places his left hand on her waist, and with the other he reaches for her hand...

    ...the hand holding the lightsaber. He pulls her hand to his chest, and turns the lightsaber on, killing himself. Outside the palace, the Resistance cries out with triumph over their victory. Within the palace, Rey cries out with sorrow over a friend that could have been.

    Rey buries Kylo Ren on the island next to a monument of Luke, at the site of her small school on Ahch-To. In one of the huts, a young padawan is tinkering with the broken blue lightsaber. He clicks it together, turning it on. A new generation of Jedi is born.

    Poe and a few others are in conversation about how rebuolding the Republic will take a long time - but that this time of rebirth will see lasting peace in the galaxy.

    Finn goes to visit Rey on Ahch-To. They embrace, and Rey kisses him on the cheek. Will a romance blossom? Marriage? Children? The ending is left open to possibilities.
     
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    ... Nah, I'm not on board with this. What about Rose? It doesn’t feel right to erase her from this story just like that. Their kiss should have an impact on the rest of the story.
     
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    Finn and Rose should be a couple in EPIX. At least some kind of a couple.
     
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