SPECULATION Your thoughts on Attack Of The Clones

Agreed, cut out the love story, or at least replace it with a competently executed one and the film immediately becomes a much better film. Not perfect of course, but a helluva lot more watchable.

 

Cutting out the love story is like erasing Luke and Leia from existence.

 

How? They existed before Attack of the Clones ever existed.

 

They brought extra ones.

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It's like half good half bad - fortunately the bad half is the secondary plot and not the primary one, otherwise we'd have to shift the critical ratings from 60% to 40%.

 

I don't know about "cutting out" the love story- maybe just making it good.

A0tC was cringy in its romance. Anakin would make borderline assault-y advances on Padme, she'd turn him down, he'd sulk and go commit some minor genocide, and she'd start leading him on again. You know, your basic friendzone stuff

I don't think we needed them to be a Han/Leia proxy, but I will say this- when Padme decides to head to Geonosis and she and Anakin have some more actiony scenes together, they're definitely better- not perfect, but a whole lot better than the cringey "tension" scenes from earlier in the film. For as much as I absolutely hate AotC, I actually really enjoy the arena scene- it's dumb, but it's big dumb fun, and that's okay sometimes.

 

That storyline in Clones sucked for two main reasons:
1) It was a disorganized, shapeless mess without structure - a series of disjointed and tonally different "courtship scenes" in the first half, immediately followed by an unrelated sidequest, then suddenly back to romance and at the end it just sort of disappears.

It also was disjointed from the main plot of the movie.

2) They couldn't decide whether it was suppoed to be a "classical fantasy romance" along the lines of Romeo, or a kind of "realistic" uncomfortable thing about a (part time) socially awkward and narcissistic adolescent pursuing a friend crush.

The score and environments are almost consistently in the 1st category, but the acting and dialogue keeps jumping back and forth - the worst bits are when both seem to apply at the same time, i.e. fireplace scene: does she reject him because she feels uncomfortable and turned off, or because she loves him but the consequences would never be the same? It might seem like it's the former but she pretends it's the latter to make the best out of the situation - however what it really is a very confused scene in a confused disjointed storyline.


So yes - VERY poorly handled.

 

- The romance, and consequent the acting and the lines;

- Artificials clonetroopers;

- Digital Yoda fighting.

These are the main things that makes me hate AOTC.

 

"Attack Of The Clones"

Even the title is crap. The Clones don't attack, they come to the rescue of the Jedi and defend!
And as the Clones don't show until the end of the film, how and why did they get the entire Episode II title named after them?!

 

Just as a stand alone film, it is a terrible movie. But for SW continuity taken into account it does some setting building with the different alien characters and locations, which is the only positive trait, but Regardless of the setting building the writing is so bad i cannot watch it.

 

Could you clarify this comment?

 

As a standalone, it's a cool, moody spy/mystery plot with a bad lovestory tacked on - for SW continuity it's bad because things don't match up.

 

It could very well be the "best" PT-movie for me. It's quite boring overall, but at least GL had some interesting ideas. The OB1 detective story had some potential but didn't make much sense. The last third on Geonosis was terrible, when a decent SW-movie turned into a computer game CGI crapfest. Love story was needed but unfortunately rushed due to the waste of ep 1, and poorly executed due to bad acting/directing/writing. I liked the scenes with Jango and Boba. Would like more of Dooku - another wasted character like Qui Gon and Maul. Overall my biggest problem with ep 2 is as follows: While it's ok as a stand alone movie, it's deeply hurt by the fact that TPM pretty much wasted two hours of story telling and by the fact that GL didn't have any clue of what he was doing story wise. The general tone established in TPW was also hurting the PT as a whole, like the battle droids, Jar-Jar who lead to the likes of Dexter Jettser, everybody speaking basic and so on.

 

Worst Star Wars movie.

Over time the TPM has grown me on a bit, but AotC has only gotten worse over time.

 

You are on the right track. The pt needs the Padme/Anakin love story, it was just forced and handled so poorly. What I look for in a good film is integration. And what I mean by that is how a film integrates different ideas together to form a cohesive story versus taking time out to address each individual item. For Lucas, at least with the PT, he didn't know how to do that. Here's an action scene, now the characters need to talk, then this is a political scene instead of putting it all together. It destroys the pacing of the film and doesn't include elements in an engaging way. You can develope characters, have them talk, have an action scene, and move the plot...all at the same time. That's why the Geonosis scene works a little better then the rest of the film.

To me, the way to fix this would have been to start the film with Anakin out of the order flying a spice freighter, then he encounters Obi-Wan who tries to get him back then brings up that Padme was kidnapped over political issues with the Mandalorians over cloning rights, and spends a good portion of the film attempting to rescue her. And when they finally meet again, you combine her existing feelings for him with the fact he risked his life to save her and a flash in the pan romance developes more naturally and logically versus forcing cringe enducing scenes that only focus on their relationship. Then the focus isn't on the relationship, but it is developed in an interesting and significant way without unnecessarily taking half the film.

 

Padme had no reason to love Anakin, at least not enough to marry him, the romance felt unearned.

 

A space restraining order on the other hand........completely justified.

 

Oh, she'd be well within her rights, Anakin was full creeper mode. If a woman tells you that by looking at you, you make her feel uncomfortable it would not end with a romantic wedding, but an open-and-shut lawsuit.

 

That court proceeding would be fantastic. Upon return to Coruscant after the Battle of Geonosis, Padme testifies to Anakin's admission of tribal genocide of Sandpeople and disdain for authority figures like his own master Obi-Wan.

How does one go about garnishing Jedi wages?