SPECULATION Your thoughts on Attack Of The Clones

Agreed she took on more than she should have.

 

The romance felt unearned? There was no logical reason for Padme to fall in love with Anakin, just as there was no logical reason for Leia to fall in love with Han. In the case of both mother and daughter, they simply fell in love with two men. Since when is love "logical" or something that can be "earned" with a reason?

Now, I would have understood if you had said that Anakin and Padme's romance seemed forced to you. I would not have agreed with you, but I would have understood.

 

My phrasing was bad and true, love is random and doesn't always make sense; romance has never really been dealt with that well in a Star Wars movie as of yet (it's done much better in the EU). But at least Han and Leia had some romantic tension between them. I felt none of that when I watched AoTC. What did she see in him? At least Han, if you ignore everything else, had a stereotypical masculine thing going for him and Leia is a bad ass that takes zero crap, so they balance each other out. Anakin and Padme's romance could have been amazing and there was potential, but it was executed so poorly in the movies.

 

I love this movie. Its my fav of the prequels and my second favorite SW film.

 

AOTC has allot of OB1 scenes and he is in pure form. One of my favorite films.

 

This is honestly the only live action Star Wars film that I don't like. Anakin's transition from a lovable, good-hearted kid into an arrogant, whiny young man was unnatural in my opinion. While the loves scenes are very cringe-worthy, it makes sense as Anakin as never been in a relationship and doesn't know how to act. The whole Tusken Raider part I liked, though, and is probably one of my favorite scenes in the film. But for the most part, I just don't like Anakin's portrayal in this film nearly as much as TCW series and ROTS, even if his delivery in the latter was a little... robotic (ba-dum-crash). Padme was honestly kinda forgettable. Obi-Wan was pretty good in this film, even if he was a bit too harsh with Anakin. Jango Fett was awesome, one of the best things in the whole film. Boba was alright, don't see why he had to be a clone though. Count Dooku is an interesting character, but he didn't get nearly enough screen time. Even after TCW, I still don't know what his motivations are, how he got to where he is, etc. IDK, he really needs a comic miniseries that goes into that stuff. Palpatine is good as always (well, for the most part. "Power!" shudder). Yoda was kinda usless in this film and Mace was boring and cool at the same time. As for the plot, it was everywhere. Plot points forgotten and mysteries left unanswered. I liked the Battle of Geonosis, but not the lightsaber duel. I liked the speeder chase and the space battle. This movie is quite a mixed for me, but I say it could've been better.

 

Yep I enjoyed those ones, he finally got some freedom from Ani.

 

I understand that, even if I don't agree with you.

I don't even understand this complaint. Anakin was behaving like a teenager. Even Luke, around the beginning of the OT was a sometimes arrogant and whiny young man. And I thought Han behaved like an immature man child, despite being around 29 to 30 years old. Like fathers, like sons.

 

My thoughts on Attack of the Clones ??

Well... it's the Second of the Three Prequil Films.
That's what we were told, That's What It Is.
I Love It.

 

Rewatched AOTC yesterday, and it fueled the sentiments I held in other threads.
I enjoy it more than TPM. The noir/ Obi-Wan detective story. The insight into Coruscant's seedy underworld and its political machinations at the very top. Seeing the Jedi Order at it's most bloated, spread and complacent , but also at a time when the Jedi were the keepers of peace in the galaxy, as Obi had referred to so many years before. The romance is horrid, and completely juxtaposes the believability and humanity of Han and Leia's romance, and that diminishes the story as it is one of its three main arcs (which in turn is the other major flaw of the film, what kind of film does it want to be? It's too disparate).

That being said, in terms of world building, I think its excellent. Five worlds are visited in the duration of the film, 2 new ones, more than any other Star Wars film. Little questions like, what's the history between Obi-wan and Dex? Are the Kaminoans to be trusted? Mace and Yoda are aware that their powers to use the force are dissipating, why did they refuse to tell the Senate, and how does that reflect on the Jedi Order? What's a changeling? What are Dooku's motivations in telling Obi-wan about Sidious? etc...

Its an ambitious film, just executed poorly in most parts.

 

I'll be honest I hate AotC. Except for the Obi-Wan, Jango Fett and Mace Windu stuff I can't stand anything in that film. It is easily my least favorite of the saga but that said more power to all of you who enjoy it.

 

Attack of the Clones is a Star Wars movie, so obviously I like it, but I also acknowledge its flaws, and I do consider it to be the worst out of all of the Star Wars films released so far. It has the least amount of replay value, and while it has some great moments, it also has some absolutely cringeworthy moments.

To be honest, I think most of the ideas for this film were good, but they were executed very poorly—like most of the Prequel Trilogy, to be honest.

I still personally prefer The Phantom Menace over this film (aside from Jar Jar, the never-ending podracing scene, and some of Anakin's scenes), although they're both at the bottom of the list. I really don't believe that the prequels deserve to get hated on as much as they do, because there are a lot of good things about them, but the bad things about them stick out like a sore thumb because they exist in the same franchise as the Original Trilogy. By the time they got to Revenge of the Sith, it was too late to fix most of the issues of The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones.

So, I don't hate this film, but I also don't think it's very good compared to the rest of the franchise.

 

A stupid and flat movie, but still better than The Phantom Menace.

 

I think it's... a strange film.

It starts out with the Jedi doing what Jedi probably did a lot of- acting as protectors (Anakin) and seekers of truth (OB1). On its own, that sounds pretty neat- but as the series has developed, we've more often seen the Jedi act as generals- not necessarily an inherently better role for them in the story, but it's been handled better, so the protector/investigator role not only might seem less exciting but it's also not been portrayed more poorly in the series.

So, I think the first two acts of the film come across as a bit of a missed opportunity at best, and horribly boring and inconsequential at worst. The other big problem with the first two acts is that very little of consequence happens. Padme and Anakin fall in love and Obi Wan slowly reveals a rather uninspired conspiracy, but most of the action is centered around building up to the film's finale.

And honestly, most of the stuff from the Arena up until the duel is the prequels at some of its best, in my opinion. I love the desperation of the arena fight before the Jedi reinforcements come. I love "This party's over". I love the Jedi v droids in the arena, the rescue of the clones, and the fly-by battle on Geonosis. All great, exciting stuff- and "Across the Stars" is a unique and awesome score, rivaling "Duel of the Fates" and "Battle of the Heroes" in my opinion.

Then there's the duel. Worst swordfight in the entire series, I think. It seemed to lack the overly flashy almost anime-esque style of the Maul and Mustafar fights, but didn't seem to have the brutality of the OT fights. There was almost no emotion behind the characters' motivations. The location was boring. The Yoda stuff was ok, but could also be kinda silly. Just, not a great sword fight.

So, ultimately, Attack of the Clones is a film named for the one part of it that's worth watching. Those 20-30 minutes are indeed gold, but I really dislike the rest of the film.

 

Agreed it's a bit better than TPM.

 

I have loved AOTC since I saw it in theatres. It portrays so many important events in the Star Wars galaxy, has an epic scope, exciting action, and a great story. Yes, the dialogue sucks, like every George Lucas movie. He's terrible at directing people's emotions, and there are several unnecessary moments in the film, but it still brought imagination and originality. Scenes like Obi-Wan's battle with Jango Fett on Kamino, the chase through Geonosis' asteroid field, Anakin's slaughter of Tusken Raiders, and the entire Battle of Geonosis (the Ultimate Weapon!) are what Star Wars is all about. Excitement. If you're a true Star Wars fan you love it all, and reason why certain things are the way they are.

I would also like to address Anakin's behavior and crappy dialogue. Yes, the dialogue is crappy because of the director and actor, but also, this is a 20 year old kid who has only ever known training and war. He's never been with a woman and thought about one for ten years. His hormones are exploding. The silly lines he uses on Padme are not unrealistic. The stuff 20 years olds say to girls, he'd do anything to break his vows as a Jedi to be with Padme, if only for 10 seconds. The bad dialogue makes it better because you can imagine his mind thinking of every stupid quote that'll come off as cool or sensitive to achieve this goal. He's a kid, a Jedi, and doesn't understand normality.

 

The worst film of the series by some distance.

An uninspiring story,bad dialogue, worse acting and the CGI is so overused. Pin ball Yoda is so underwhelming.

People say it is better than TPM, but it has nothing in it to compare the Duel of the Fates.

 

Don't mind me, just working towards 30 posts so I can start a thread . .

Episode II is weak, no doubt, as is, but as far as I can tell, there's a solid story there, this won't be obvious in the theatrical releases,
which, sadly, are rather sub-par when it comes to portraying emotion.

I could go on about it for a day or two, how using basic rules of cinema and narrative, you could, and in fact can, build a coherent and touching story out of the mess 20th FOX spewed out.

Making movies is a delicate process after all, so, if you try and hammer emotion in, it'll spill over the sides and seem very forced and fake.
Lucas has never been too careful about going "and then you should feel emotional at this point" but is probably too close to the story and characters to
be able to rationally look at what is needed, and what needs to go.

Less is more is something that applies, and whatever is left needs to be sharp, sensitive and in it's rightful place.
The rest is a matter of taste I suppose, if you're in to Jedi or not, and how much so ?

The re-edited prequels can be found here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B37jrYBE21mwWmtiakVoYVV4eXc
once they've uploaded.

 

It's on tnt right now, and I'm going back and forth from it to football. I still to this day find more cringe worthy moments I hadn't noticed. Just now I realized upon anakin and padme arriving on tattooine, the droid rickshaw operator responding to anakin with what sounds like "Okie dokie " . I like, but don't love the prequels, and it took episode 3 to tie it up for me too give 1 and 2 a chance again after initially hating them, but stuff like this just makes me roll me eyes and wonder how such embarrassing rubbish found it's way into star wars movies.

 

While it does have its problems, I overall enjoy it and it's my favorite PT movie.