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SPECULATION Darth Vader On Trial

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by Bandini, Aug 22, 2016.

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What would have been the outcome of Vader's trial ?

  1. Death Penalty

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  2. Lifetime sentence jail

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  3. Some years of jail

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  4. Innocent

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  5. Exile on a lonely planet

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  6. Other

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  1. Bandini

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    Not sure Leia will, if you ask her who her father is, I'm sure she will answer Bail Organa.
     
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    I'm not sure Luke will give her the choice - between saving a life and preserving the illusion of her parentage, I believe he would choose a life. Unless they are willing to say they are not brother and sister, which I can't see.
     
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    Luke killed many people too. Truth is that the Skywalker are a curse to the galaxy and Kylo Ren is one too.
     
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    Luke killed many people by blowing up the Death Star - in the name of Rebellion. That cannot ever be equated with Vader or Kylo Ren.

    Besides, Leia is a Skywalker too and she does nothing but good for the galaxy.
     
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    Good and evil are a certain point of view. Anyone manicheism is his own vision of the universe. Some like freedom other like order. If the Force allows both, it means that there is no good and bad in the eye of the Maker.
     
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    You could argue that the Maker a.k.a. the Force put the Skywalkers in the galaxy in the first place by creating Anakin. So, they are exactly where they should be.
     
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    Everything is there at it should be.
     
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    Very good thread. If the trials would be just show trials to punish Vader as the main ally of the Empire than most likely death or life sentence, depending on the penal code of the Republic (they might outlawed death penatly long ago).

    If the trials woudn't be just show trials, the situation would be very complicated. I dont really think Vader could be hold responsible for Alderaan's destruction as it was the direct order of Tarkin. One could argue that he even opposed to the usage of the space station. Nor for the murdering of his generals. Those might werent documented with no living/cooperating witness. He could also argue that he had jurisdiction as a summary court for treason.
    His other acts were pretty much only military. Maybe except for the torturing of Han and Leia, but one could argue that those were proportional in spite of the danger (potential danger to the DS).

    The only crimes he could be find reponsibe for are pretty much only his deeds in the PT.

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    Considering in the new canon only very few people knew Vader's real identity, he might would get away with the prequel crimes aswell.
    There would be actually no proof of him beeing Anakin Skywalker. Anakin was most likely documented dead and even if a DNA test would prove that he is the father of Luke and Leia, there is acutally no proof of that person beeing the same as Anakin Skywalker. Luke and Leia's birth were most likely not documented either.
     
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    Killing 30 children is already a quite heavy karma.
     
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    I would go for the death penalty because he killed alot of species & I doubt any wouldn't want payback.
     
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    The problem with a trial for Vader against the massacre of 'younglings' would be that Palpatine's order of the destruction of the jedi order was legal. He was given powers through the senate and ultimately became the senate. The Jedi served the senate, and not until the jedi realized that they served the Force did they commit treason by trying to eliminate the one who the senate gave their power to. The Rebellion, even though fought against tyranny, were the ones breaking the laws that evolved from the republic into the empire. Sure Vader did not have to kill children, but they may have been imprisoned, or indoctrinated to the darkside as servants to the Emperor, or put to death for not relinquishing their jedi ideals.

    The only thing they could do to Vader was put him to death because he was 'to dangerous to keep alive', which Luke would have most definately had a problem with.

    Vader could have been given back to the Imperials for trial for killing the Emperor.
     
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    Yeah, it's not like the films have clearly indicated that order at the cost of freedom is a bad thing.

    You know what else was legal? The destruction of Alderaan. And in the real world, so was many, many, MANY genocides.
    The New Republic wouldn't care about the laws of the Empire.

    Unlikely. With the war almost over and the fact that it would legitimize that Empire (to which the Rebellion never thought it was, hence said rebellion), they would not give over Vader.
     
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    I agree, just because it was legal it doesn't make it right, governments change, that is why there are rebellions, to keep their way of life.

    They would make their own laws, but when did they take effect and where was their jurisdiction?

    But in the month after the Battle of Jakku, the Galactic Concordance was signed, legitimizing the Empire. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Galactic_Concordance

    The Galactic Concordance officially ended hostilities between the New Republic and Galactic Empire, and stipulated that the Empire remain within predetermined boundaries in the Core and Inner Rim and cease hostilities following its surrender. It also called for the end of the recruitment and mobilization of stormtrooper forces, the abandonment of the numerous Imperial Academies scattered across the galaxy and the ultimate end to the Galactic Civil War. It also called for the Empire to give up its claim on the Core World of Coruscant to the New Republic, along with abandoning the practice of torture.

    Really, the Empire was the legitamate government in the galaxy, the concordance legitimized the rebellion's New Republic.
     
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    I was only surmising today that had Vader survived and faced trial, that there would have been a danger of Luke getting pulled to the dark side. So Anakin/Vader's ultimate sacrifice was getting Luke to take off the mask. Surely he knew that with him gone, Luke's new Jedi stood a better chance.

    Of course there's always the 'infinities' ending.

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    It may be the source of my username, but it just seems highly unlikely.
     
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    He would walk free if Palpy represented him, he was a good talker.
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    The Law of Deliberation



    This is a good analysis. Anakin brings balance to the force (as prophesied) by tackling the evil Emperor/Palpatine in Return of the Jedi, but he has to answer for the genocidal leadership as the Sith lord Darth Vader. It does seem that Luke would request he be allowed to live quietly and peacefully alone (in exile), perhaps on Endor, and maybe only Luke would visit him occasionally. It doesn't seem that the Jedi would want to draw out the drama but rather just put the terrible memory of the Clone Wars (etc.) behind them.


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