SPOILER A cyborg seen, I have not

We all were on the side of the Rebels but from the point of view of many citizens they were essentially terrorists trying to bring down the government.

 

Or, if Driver is reporting to Luke, Han finds him, Luke pulls out the lightsaber and says, "I'm sorry... I can't allow you to risk the order... I love you, but this is bigger than either of us..."

 

Kyle... the term is VFX, SFX stands for SOUND EFFECT, VFX stands for VISUAL EFFECT, for which lightsabers are done in POST-PRODUCTION, after Color Correction and Color Grading, which are done after Chroma Keying... just saying...

 

I think I need to clarify something, SFX is also a term for Special Effects as in in-camera effects, however, having never worked on a production where special effects were employed (only visual effects), and seeing SFX only used for sound effect mentions in a script here and there, I assumed it always mean't sound effects, that being noted, a lightsaber is 100% a visual effect now a days.

 

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I thought I might add something to the discussion. Talking about blurred lines between what is considered good and evil or right and wrong I can't help but be reminded of what Marvel movies are coming out. Captain America 3 is coming out 6 months after Star Wars. Cap 3 is going to be the Civil War arc, or at least part of it, which is exactly what is being discussed here. What is good and what is evil? Are we ok with sacrificing liberty for safety? etc... It is also starting to sound like Avengers: AoU, which will hit 6 months before Star Wars, will start having those questions be asked and begin the set up for the Civil War Arc.

Being as Marvel and Star Wars are the 2 big franchises for Disney that they will be producing multiple movies and basically having 2 giant movie universes from which multiple movies will tie in, what are everyone's thoughts about the same thematic references running in both universes at the same time? Does the fact that the Marvel universe will be delving into that subject change your thoughts on it being a profound theme in Star Wars?

 

I think that theme will be present, as in, what means are acceptable for achieving peace, the light path or the dark path. That being said, I have a hard time believing Luke will be crazy uncontrolable Jedi... instead I believe that Luke will simply be a bit of a hermit, training jedi, and the other heroes will be off doing their own things and Han will reunite them, spending a good portion of the film reuniting, reintroducing to new generations, the old band. The villain will be an overlooked and unchecked enemy of old shrowded in mytery, who gains enough power after spending a long time in the shadows, and comes forth and threatens the progress made over the last 3 decades, and the film will slowly hand the torch down to the new generation, and continue to do so in the next two installments.

 

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Great info Kyle...

I got a question though... How were you able to ascertain expressions in such detail when this picture would have to be a side view of Luke and Han. If You are able to see all three of their faces than that means drivers would be standing facing whomever was looking at the pic, and Han and Luke would be profiled. Correct?

Also just wondering on the detail because if you are able to see the ground, than it has to be a little ways away to see all parties involved, and the floor.

I was more thinking that Driver's character is using Han to find Luke (Han is not aware of Drivers true intentions). The scene is the moment that Han stumbles across Luke for the first time and startles him as Luke is a bit foggy after being out of the loop for so long and not expecting anyone. That's why Drivers character is closer to Han and not Luke...

 

I think it's either that Driver's character is a well-known Republic pilot and somewhat close to the Solo family/respected by Han as Driver's commanding officer or Han and Leia's son. Luke calls Driver out as a bad dude. Han is like, wait a second, you old fossil, and giving Driver the benefit of the doubt. Otherwise, Han wouldn't be so torn as to who to believe.

 

I think it would be more emotionally powerful scene if it's Han's son.

 

I agree and I tend to think that's where it's going. It also gives Luke more motivation to leave his fears behind and be instrumental in defeating and/or saving his nephew. Keep in mind, it's not just the fact that Driver may be his nephew. As far as we know, Han and Leia are still his only family. He would do anything for them.

How incredibly sad for Han and Leia, too. They rolled the dice and had a child hoping no new Anakin came into the galaxy. It's a storyline that affects everyone.

 

I'm still a part of the "extremely surprised if Driver is a Solo/Skywalker" crowd. I feel that the rebel outfit sighting was explained away by the mask theory. I do however think we will see a plot like that, but with Gleeson as the tragic character.

 

Gleeson is a great actor, so I would love to see him as a tortured character. I can't help but see him as Luke's son.

 

Same. Really can't see him as anything but Luke's son. (Or maybe a young Luke in a flashback but that could potentially be very strange and offputting.)

 

It could be that Gleeson has been raised by Han and Leia when Luke decided to go into hiding. Remember that Driver said that there are themes in Star Wars which will continue (at least that's what I think what's implied in his quote) including the feeling that you are not loved enough. It could be that - given what they observed as to Luke - Han and Leia are especially vigilant when it comes to Gleeson's character. Gleeson and Driver are relatively the same age. Driver saw the attention paid to Gleeson, became resentful because Gleeson wasn't even their real son and felt neglected. When all along Han and Leia should have been watching their own son.... Just some nonsensical speculation. Regardless, would LOVE Gleeson as Luke's son.

 

So on set, with no special effects... you can tell what color the lightsaber is?

Also... how do you know so much about the characters emotions from pictures?

 

I might have misunderstood, but I believe what he is describing is something on par with this promo for ANH:



In that it is a promotional still, rather than an actual still from the movie or a proper on-set photo from the shoot. So, just taken to give an impression of the action or the dynamic of a particular scene (obviously, in this case featuring more than one character and some kind of set dressing though) with visual effects added for promotional material.
And, in this case just an iPhone photo of the photo being displayed on a screen, rather than an actual copy of the source photo. I'd say it'll be easy to get an impression of the emotional dynamic of the set-up because these sort of images usually feature over exaggerated poses, because they are created for that purpose - to give an impression of the tone of the movie in general or off a particular plot strand.

If it is a promo photo of this kind, there is even an outside chance that this particular scenario doesn't actually appear onscreen in the finished movie, at least not literally in the way it is described. What I mean by that is, well, consider this ROTS promo:



We don't actually see this happen in the movie. But it captures the idea that Palpatine and Anakin/Vader are essentially "on the same team" fighting side by side (figuratively speaking) at some point in the movie. So there is a chance that Han and Luke are working at odds in this movie, and that Driver is in some way caught in the middle, or is the motivation behind this turn of events - and this photo merely summarises that dynamic in a overtly visual way - but we don't actually see Luke and Han literally draw weapons on each other in the movie.
Like I said, just an outside chance.

Hope that made sense. It's late and I've been drinking. (hah)

 

I think Han would trust Luke's judgement over any young Republic buck... perhaps not against his son, but anyone lesser...