SPECULATION Is Kylo Ren truly evil, has he gone fully to the Dark Side?

He sees himself as the good guy i say.

 

Yeah that much was confirmed dying Celebration; Anaheim .

 

I don't think he is completely evil. I think he's being used by Snoke to eliminate Luke. I think Kylo is going to be the character being redeemed in this trilogy.

 

Wait, you said Jedi is your favorite movie, the one where Luke believes his father is still good and even after Vadet turns him over to the Emperor Luke still believes and is finally proven correct. Vadet did essentially kill Owen and Beru, Kenobi and tried killing him and his friends. I think Luke could find the compassion and trust his nephew and forgive him. Now, whether this all happens or not, who knows. It's getting late and am fighting sleep.

 

I think he in a twisted way thinks he is a good guy. He is not though. I think he will be very much like Commodus from Gladiator.

 

Ok, I give you that. People can change after 30 years.

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Talk about a great performance. I would LOVE Driver to give that performance!!

 

Ending of the original trilogy: In the final act our main antagonist redeems himself.
Ending of the 2nd trilogy (prequels): In the final act our main protagonist falls and converts to evil.

Both were Anakin of course. But they've been done before.


Because Kylo is starting as a Villain and Lucasfilm I think will try to create something new, there are really only 3 options:

Kylo dies a villain
Kylo over the course of the films becomes an antihero
Kylo over the course of the films becomes a hero


My guess is Kylo is one of the last 2 - most likely a hero. His story in my opinion is more important than Rey's and Finn's. Kylo is truly whom this trilogy is about and I think he will change significantly by the actions of this movie and he will be a transformed character by the end of Episode IX

 

To be honest I'm still having trouble believing he is a Skywalker, I think it would be too repetitive having another Skywalker gone dark side so soon.

If this turns out to be true I think there has to be a very strong reason for him falling, not just some tantrum, jealousy issues or some other ridiculous ideas I have heard.
While the execution, the pacing and the dialogue wasn't good I thought Anakin's motives for going dark side were a really good choice.

Perhaps we are going to see something similar, perhaps he initially sacrifices himself to save someone else and then he gets slowly brain washed by Snoke, perhaps Snoke even convinces him that his motivations are noble and he is the good guy. The one theory I like best so far is that while he has fallen to the dark side, he hates the kor and the first order so much for what they did to him that his ultimate goal is to destroy them no matter what, and for that purpose he provokes an open war with the new republic.

 

They I think were searching for an aristocratic rage monster. Imagine Jeofrey Barathion with real power. He is deluded though.

 

I hope Kylo isn't Vader 2.0 and only saved by death. If Vader could have survived the events on the Death Star there would have been no reconciliation or forgiveness for Anakin Skywalker the man. Maybe Kylo is more like Th Hound or Kingslayer in GoT. He's done some bad stuff but not truly evil. If Snoke and the KoR kidnapped him from the academy at say 15 he would not have had many choices. Kylo has been told lies. He may see thru some, if even partially. He is a tool for Snoke and the FO, but not to the extent Vader was. Just my guess.

 

He fell for his captors...and married Vader's helmet .

 

I heard he was some kind of religious fanatic which means for him, he's acting right.

 

Exactly.

 

Its pretty obvious that Kylo will turn back to the light in episode 9

 

I'm curious about what age he was when the massacre occurs - the shooting schedule refers to him as "young". If he's like 10, then I'm going to guess he got kidnapped and then through Stolkholm syndrome/brainwashing fell to the Dark Side and was brainwashed into hating his parents. If he's more like 15-17, it seems more likely he fell to the Dark Side on his own, was playing a double agent role in Luke's Jedi Academy and brought the Knights of Ren to the Jedi Academy. Though if it were the latter, is it believable that Luke wouldn't have felt that through the Force?

I don't think Kyko is truly evil at the beginning of TFA - the MSW outline has a scene of him hesitating to blow up Maz's pub when he knows Han is there and a scene where he sits in the Falcon seeming nostalgic. After he kills Han, I think he's fully on the Dark Side.

If he's redeemed, do you think Leia could ever forgive her son for killing her husband? I feel like that's unlikely - Leia doesn't seem to be quite as forgiving as Luke. For that matter, will fans be able to forgive him for killing Star Wars' most popular character?

 

A mother's love for her child outweighs everything...

And it's not whether the fans can forgive Kylo for what he has done, it's whether the fans can forgive themselves after they realize Kylo had good in him all along.