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SPOILER Snoke Seducing Kylo in the Womb? (Aftermath EE)

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by Kennytime, Feb 16, 2017.

  1. Kennytime

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    Some juicy nuggets from Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/5ub9gb/spoilers_empires_end_snoke_and_ben_solo/

    Excerpt 1:

    Luke. She reaches for him but doesn’t find him.
    The dark, now lit with stars. One by one, like eyes opening. Comforting at first, then sinister as she worries. Who is out there, who is watching us? Hands reach for her, hands of shadow, lifting her up, reaching for her throat, her wrists, her stomach -
    Inside, the child kicks. She feels her baby turning inside, right-side, up and down, struggling to find his bearings, trying so hard to find his way free of her. It’s not time, she thinks. Just a little longer.
    Leia.
    Luke, she wants to cry out. But her words don’t come. Her mouth is sealed, a hand pressed over it. One by one, stars go dark again, winking out of existence as if by a hand slowly closing over them -
    Leia!
    She gasps and wakes. Han. It’s just Han. He’s by her side of the bed, rousing her, gently shaking her shoulder.
    The dream recedes like a wave going back to sea.
    Hi, she says, her mouth tacky, her eyes full of sleep. Her middle twists too - it’s not the baby. It’s some unseen fear uncoiling. The remnants of the dream haunt her - but they break apart like a sand castle as she sits up and clears her head, doing as Luke taught her to do.
    Breathe in breathe out. Be mindful of the world, the galaxy, your place within it. Everything will be OK. The Force will be your guide.

    Excerpt 2:

    He is less a human shaped thing and more a pulsing, living band of light. Light that sometimes dims, that sometimes is thrust with a vein of darkness. She tells herself that it’s normal - Luke said to her, Leia, we all have that. He explained that the brighter the light, the darker the shadow.
    Right now, her son is upset, tumbling inside her as if he can’t get comfortable. His light, flickering with dark. She centers herself and concentrates. The walls of the room fall away. Everything is white and then it’s black. Then she’s in the calm, airless void. As Leia finds her peace, so does her son. He stops turning…
    Then he gets the hiccups.
    Hic.Hic.Hic.
    She sighs and it brings her out of it. But she laughs, too. Because the hiccups tickle her. They are like bubbles inside - a curious effervescence like nothing Leia ever felt before.
    My son is alive. The future is bright.

    The baby turns inside her again, troubled by something she cannot feel and cannot yet understand.

    -------

    Also, this dialogue from the TFA novel...

    “Leia bit her lower lip, refusing to concede. “No. It was Snoke.”

    Han drew back slightly. “Snoke?”

    She nodded. “He knew our child would be strong with the Force. That he was born with equal potential for good or evil.”

    “You knew this from the beginning? Why didn’t you tell me?”

    She sighed. “Many reasons. I was hoping that I was wrong, that it wasn’t true. I hoped I could sway him, turn him away from the dark side, without having to involve you.” A small smile appeared.

    “You had—you have—wonderful qualities, Han, but patience and understanding were never among them. I was afraid that your reactions would only drive him farther to the dark side. I thought I could shield him from Snoke’s influence and you from what was happening.” Her voice dropped. “It’s clear now that I was wrong. Whether your involvement would have made a difference, we’ll never know.”

    He had trouble believing what he was hearing. “So Snoke was watching our son.”

    “Always,” she told him. “From the shadows, in the beginning, even before I realized what was happening, he was manipulating everything, pulling our son toward the dark side.”
     
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    This gives me goosebumps and makes my skin crawl. If Snoke were to be Darth Plagueis, I'd say there's a special Force bond between him and the Skywalker's.
     
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    The title of this thread is both disturbing and funny somehow. But what isn't funny is what these excerpts reveal about the Skywalkers... How everything was revealed to them right from the start, and how they didn't do anything to stop it. A family of powerful force sensitives who couldn't protect ONE kid. "A living band of light" that tried to escape the dark side since even before he was born....probably because even then, he knew that no one will try to help. Han's death was not enough for what they've done, they couldn't handle the light and now they have to handle the dark, like they deserve.
     
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    Disturbing to say the least.
     
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    He isn't Plagueis... It has been confirmed many times. Who knows where the creep came from?
     
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    I suppose Snoke could have played a part in creating Anakin even if he was not Plagueis.
     
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    I thought it's confirmed that smoke is jar jar?


    Kidding.


    But really though..didn't Pablo hidalgo say that smoke is simply smoke
    ?
     
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    Say "Smoke" one more time. I dare you...

    [​IMG]
     
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    Dare my autocorrect...even I didn't notice it
     
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    Sure, and Andy Serkis (Snoke's voice and mo-cap actor) said similar things.

    But then again, that should be taken with perhaps more salt than any rumours or speculation: why would a multi-billion dollar earning trilogy have it officially revealed to us fans that Plagueis was Snoke before the release of the film in which that could potentially be shared?
     
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    If Snoke was revealed to be Plagueis before VIII, it'd blow the whole story. Of course they are going to BS and deny it.

    Plagueis Lives!
     
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    But it provides some aspects to the whole picture for people who are all too fast with their judgments about Kylo Ren.
    He seems to be completely seduced by Snoke from the first moment of his existence. Shocking.
     
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    theey wouldnt .
     
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    Yup.... It seems like he never stood a chance.... :-(
     
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    For me that could be a good point explaining why Luke disappeared, still searching for more Jedi teachings.
    Seems like Leia could sense something going wrong from the beginning, but Luke didn't take that serious early,and obviously later wasn't able to stop the influence of snoke.
    He thought he was a jedi by Ep. VI but how much did he know. Most younglings of the PT got more teaching than Luke and probably would have sensed Snoke early (and probably would have taken the right steps to stop him), but he didn't recognize the thread.
    After that got obvious and Ben fell to the dark side, he continued his quest of finding old Jedi temples. Now with the purpose to save his nephew and defeat snoke.
     
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    Yeah, I couldn't finish reading that. xD I don't do spooky stuff at night, even if it is Star Wars. That being said, Snoke seducing Ben while he was still inside Leia is just crazy and creepy and crazy.
     
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    sounds like something darth plagueis would do.
     
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    Snoke is very powerful.He indeed influences Kylo.
    Leia describes a hand put on her throat which is Dark Side attack.
     
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    It was somehow the same thing with Anakin ?
     
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