And here it is...

But Luke wasn't alone. He had the resistance and the Republic.
Obi wan had no one. The rebellion only came along much later

 

Thank you for the viewpoint.

 

We don't known when the threat came or when the resistance was started. Further the rebellion was around for some time before he did anything and there were Jedi he could have found to fight against the oppression. The opening crawl of ANH says the rebels just scored there first major victory. That means there were other battles. You are justifying a major flaw in ANH and giving GL a pass but not giving JJ one. we may find out in the next movie why Luke did nothing too.

The truth is Luke is our favorite and he is not what we envisioned. He is what JJ and Disney envisioned. You can hate all future star wars because they are not what you want or think or you can enjoy what we get. It's almost better for no new movies to come so some of you can have in your mind what happened in the future. My vision of what happened is different from yours and different than the next guys but I'm not hired to write the future stories and they may not be what I want but are they good stories? Is the movie worth the ride? Is it fun? That's what matters to me not what I want and think. I don't own star wars Disney does.

 

my issues with the film after a few viewings now :

- very bland John Williams score, his worst for the saga and i simply cannot remember 1 new track.
- luke in it for 30 sec ( just 3 shots with no dialogue ) but his close up is the most powerful &n emotional shot in the whole film, Hamill nails 35 years of Luke's pain with just a simple look. i kid u not.
- total waste of Andy Serkis as Snoke, looks like Voldermont. could have been done with make up. Is he Plagueis ? still a chance. but no way near the evilness of Sidious.
- plotholes : why did R2 not wake up after the group first lands on the resistance base, why he wakes up after the battle ?
- those monsters in Han's freighter belong in Men in Black, not Star Wars
- C3PO : hated the new suit, he looks dull gold instead og shiny gold, in fact he looked kinda bulky and fake ( looked better in the prequels.. yes , i'm serious)
- Phasma : wasted, She is in the film for less then 5 minutes. That cool moment we seen of her in the trailer ? 2 frames later she gets knocked out by chewie and thrown in the trash compacter. ( how she ever escapes starkiller base is beyond me) She is in the film for less then 5 minutes
- in fact : we nevere seen Phasma, Ren or Hux escape. curious who got out
- a lot of stuff we seen released as toys are nowhere to bee seen : speeder bikes, that speeder from Finn, Unkar's thugs .... i did see a first order snowspeeder parked somewhere in the background but thats it.
- why cast those 3 guys from The Raid and do NOTHING with them ?
- that flashback was very unclear and the cool stuff was in the trailers. i did hear Yoda during the flashback and i could have sworn it was Alec Guinness as Obi Wan shouting "Rey"
- i get Starkiller base is a rehash of the death star and there another trench run type battle going on but the whole sequence has ZERO tension, if u compare this with the death star battle in A New Hope where u really cared for those pilots and where it was a thriller until the very last second
- movie has very uninspired design ideas: basic T fighters and X wings, one B wing inspired resistance ship and..... thats it. no new Y wings, A wings, .... very very dissapointed on that level. At least the prequels had amazing design ideas and a variety of cool hardware to show off.
- same goes for the costume design ( rey and kylo are amazing work, resistance is very dull)
- 1 cool ( short) lightsaber moment at the end. no darth maul ballet, no Luke vs Vader style intense duel moments.
- movie does need a screen legend ala CHristopher Lee or Peter Cushing that demands utter attention from the audience. 2 minutes by Von Sydow does not do it in my book.
- Very confusing about that star system that Starkiller destroyed . they say a few times it was the republic, was that Coruscant ? we see a city like planet explode but the whole scene is so short i have no idea where that was.
- hated the masks for Ackbar and Nien Nunb, they felt like very...... fake.
- so Kylo Ren can do so force tricks no other Jedi could do before him ? that trick he did to freeze Ray ? something Windu could have tried while arresting Sidious no ?
- plothole : we see Kylo Ren look at the beam coming from Starkiller base ( the shot from the trailer) and the very next scene his shuttle lands at Maz Castle
- i felt the movie lacked places where it would breathe and let it open up a bit. i missed a big long scene with a lot of mood ala Palpatine tells the story of Darth Plagueis the wise or Kenobi telling Luke about the clone wars. its all so rush rush rush.

 

Thanks for the honest assessment.

 

i do love the film, dont get me wrong, i love it;.. its just....its seems times do have changed in filmmaking and it all has to go fast and loud and not too many questions asked. i know the original trilogy was big and loud too in its day but it took its time and had moments to breathe and a script got worked on until it was perfect. creative departments went the extra mile. i dont feel that for this one. it feels like the world's most expensive fanfilm, not a piece of storytelling.

 

Its just a terrible comparison regardless of the "ironic" similarities. The similarities are there because JJ thought it was poetic or whatever, but we know Luke is more reliable, more powerful than Obi Wan in almost every way come the ending of ROTJ. Obi Wan in ANH didnt destroy the Emperor/Empire/end the reign of Vader in a previous film. Luke did.

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Jesus Luke doing anything at all woulda been nice. i fail to see how Luke being similar to Obi in this specific instance is any way to justify Luke not acting like Luke. regardless of how you spin in, it completely changes the way Luke is viewed as a character. imo its detrimental to the established character in almost every way. i think its seriously that bad of a move.

 

At least some of you got to see the movie already... But it's never too early to Vhlor I guess. It's really not an indictment against anyone, I'm just amazed that people are still allowing preconceived ideas and expectations to spoil what would otherwise be a fun movie. I thought the PT had already taught us that lesson. Then again, I've yet to see TFA, so who knows... But I doubt very much that I could possibly be as unhappy as some of you "SW fans."

Here's my big question, did you like anything about the movie?

For those who have actually seen the film; not you phantom Premiere guests; can't you give us less fortunate folk some hope by describing a scene in TFA that left a twinkle in your eye? That would certainly be appreciated and welcomed over your belly-aching and butt hurt attitudes. You poor, poor, early viewers, you who braved the unknown (even though you read every spoiler ahead of time) and had to suffer through TFA already... It breaks my heart. :-(

 

Reading these plot holes you mentioned just reminds me of bit where they said that while filming they continued to work on the script and you can tell. You can tell by the plot that the script was rushed. You can tell by the fact that you don't see phasma, Ren, or hux escape it's like they didn't know what to do with these characters or what long-term plans they have for them. I literally get the feeling reading this that it's like JJ and kasden were thinking crap uhhhh let's leave this open ended and let Rian Johnson deal with it. It's like they hired all these young and veteran actors and wasted them. Oscar Isaac is such a talented actor and they wasted him. Why even hire GC for this? I remember when they announced the additional cast it's like they brought her in because of the backlash for lack of women in the cast. Which is backed up by the fact they admitted phasma was originally going to be a male. I really wish they put more effort into the plot or at least as much effort as they did into nailing the look of the film. By the way Where's milos from game of thrones. Oh nevermind according to imdb he plays a bar patron. Smh. Massie Richardson one second cameo. Pip Anderson a parkour expert casted as a stormtrooper. Smh. So much potential in this film

 

Loved it but one thing puzzling me is why was ren bleeding and slapping himself before duel began ? Scene deleted in editing ???

 

He was shot by Chewbacca.

 

Thanks ......just Can't recall him being hit was a hectic segment though

 

I was very disapointed with the score as well

 

No it's your expectations of what Luke should act like not what he would act like. No one knows what he would act like after 30 years and knowing he allowed the new Jedi to be killed and possibly his wife. You had expectations in your head as did I but JJ did what he thought should happen. It's his story like the PT and the OT were GLs. It's not lazy or not how luke would act and doesn't make for a bad movie just not the movie you wanted. Be honest with yourself would 45 year old you act the same as 22 year old you. In most instances no. You are wiser and have grown as a person and so did Luke. 22 year old Luke was ready to take on the whole Empire alone perhaps 45-50 year old Luke knows that is foolish and may get him killed. Yoda told Luke in Empire not to go to cloud city he may be able to save his friends but in doing so could lose the cause for which they were fighting. It turned out great but could have been a disaster. 20-22 year old Luke leaves maybe 45 year old Luke stays. We don't know. Maybe being older and wiser allowed him to follow the will of the force. Maybe just maybe he knew going after Kylo would lead him down a dark path or destroy what Leia was fighting for.

I wanted Luke in this movie badly but am not going to allow it to cloud my experience at what is by all accounts a fun star wars movie.

 

I could tell you about a scene or two, but you'd rather watch it and decide for yourself. I liked it, a lot for diferent reasons. The score was the major let down for me. Other than that it was great fun to watch Star Wars in the cinema again!

 

i wouldn't say the music was bland , it just didn't have any iconic new themes.

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overall I loved the movie,it is similar in structure to a new hope,and it leaves a few questions unanswered.
It leaves u wanting more.

 

As far as I'm concerned, the music is nondescript. It#s not bad, but it aint good either. I don't know what to make of TFA. I don't think I've concentrated so hard on a film before. I took everything in, but it's all a blur. I definitely need to see it a few more times. I know one thing for sure, it's waaaaaaaaaay better than the prequels.

 

I was concerned about lukes screen time,but the build up to finding him in the end worked for me.

 

The aftermath of the battle was a little weak, no funeral for Han, nobody mentions him after his death.

And why was Kylo smacking himself during his fight? Was he trying to find motivation through pain?

 

my take on kylo smacking his wound was to rev himself up use the pain to fuel his anger/power