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Are The Last Jedi and Nocturnal Animals the same film?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Trokanmariel, Dec 26, 2017.

  1. Trokanmariel

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    Is the Tom Ford masterpiece Nocturnal Animals the same product as The Last Jedi?
     
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    Need to check this movie.
     
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    Never heard of it. How is it the same? Explain. I mean most movies are about one of or more of 36 dramatic situations. Some things could feel familiar or similar. But what are the similarities between TLJ and Nocturnal Animals./
     
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    The Last Jedi is also just about every Japanese Samurai flick ever made, condensed into 2 and a half hours.
     
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    (Spoilers)

    Similarities include:


    Both connect lavish wealth and elite society to deaths that happen in isolated areas being beautiful

    Both feature female leads who see themselves in a mirror, and the experience is meant to be important

    Both deal in violence being glamorous and angelic experiences - the sacrifice of Paige Tico and the survival of Leia

    A female character interacts with a fictional male character (Leia > Luke)
    (Susan Morrow > Tony Hastings)
    (Luke is a fictional version of himself on Crait)
    (Susan empathises with a fictional version of Jake Gyllenhaal)

    After the fictional encounter with the female character, the male character dies alone in an isolated part of reality

    Both deal in control being part of a sequence

    The control of Susan is after the chaos of Laura and India Hastings
    The control of Rey is after the chaos of Luke's flashbacks

    It's possible that both deal in emotion being a living force - so heartbreak and grief are actual living beings

    Both deal in the cruelty of living forces only being a contrast of reality

    Both deal in the irony of detachment and hostility being beautiful realities:
    1) When Rey shuns Kylo Ren at the very end, closing the Falcon door, the experience of detachment is beauty
    2) When Tony loses his wife and daughter, the experience is the most exciting and beautiful thing possible


    Both deal in the sadness of colour and visual being not connected to living forces - characters in TLJ and Nocturnal Animals are constantly surrounded by "visual elegance", but the visual elegance is the sadness of not being part of the living forces


    Both films are about isolation and hostility being magical realities
     
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    A will try to watch The Single Man too. Never heard about Tom Ford. Tks.
     
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    I'm sure Nocturnal Animals is better lol.
     
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    Not necessarily. TLJ gives the same treatment to Daisy Ridley that NA gives to Amy Adams. And Luke's fate is just as poetic and artistic as Gyllenhaal's

    Both movies are about the absurdity of cause and effect being real, and it's quite possible that TLJ deals in the theme better
     
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    Don't forget the best episodes of BSG :p

    The only thing I was wondering was.........if the best samurai movies and best BSG episodes meet in a Star Wars movie, why didn't John Williams do this....


    These Taiko drums were constantly going through my mind when I was watching the battlescenes and the praetorian fight the other day.
     
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    Because John Williams decided to prove his critics from TFA wrong. TFA isn't the most bland Star Wars soundtrack, TLJ is! For real though, I'm surprised this isn't a more common critique of the movie, as it's the only one I would concur with. At least TFA had Rey's theme, the Resistance theme, and the First Order/Kylo's theme. The Last Jedi had no memorable new music, unless you count the boring blur of sound that was Rose's theme, and I don't.
     
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    Its not a common critique of the movie. What John Williams wanted to do was give the scenes their proper emotional resonance. You can do that better with themes that an audience can identify with the organizations and characters portrayed. The prequels produced many new musical pieces and original compositions. But they are also a reflection of the movies themselves. They were more involved with events than they were with characters. The new movies are more involved with characters, so are their soundtracks. That same choice made dictates the choice musical composition in the sequels.

    Taking all of this into account: I think TLJ's score is very effective in what it is meant to do on screen. It works extremely well. But for some listening to the soundtrack might be a bit 'unoriginal' as compared to the previous one. I however love to hear the various variations of the themes alongside the powerful new compositions on the Last Jedi's original score. That's why I enjoy the soundtracks of ESB and ROTJ. They did the exact same thing. The prequels, where each score was almost 100% original, has perhaps alienated us a bit of this type of musical storytelling.

    So, I agree with you only partly. I absolutely love the TFA and TLJ, as well as the original scores for their musical storytelling. I love the prequel scores for their consistent originality. But in the end I would always prefer the TLJ/TFA/Originals type of musical storytelling to that in the prequels.
     
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