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SPOILER Bad Batch Season 3

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Bad Batch' started by MBWilson, Mar 27, 2024.

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    9 episodes in and it's well time to start a Spoiler discussion.

    Where does everyone stand on the story so far? Thoughts? Theories? Is it living up to expectations or is lt like last season, still too early to say at the halfway point?

    Let's get in and mix it up!
     
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    "Life is at best bittersweet" Jack Kirby

    I will miss this show.
     
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    I mean... I like Clone Force 99. I like the characters, but many of the stories seem pretty pedestrian. "Oh-meee-guh" annoys me most of the time... but is a good center to the story other times.

    I really just think a lot of things got rushed.

    I think Rebels and Clone Wars were better, but I hope to see this story carry on in something else, down the road.
     
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    You know, for all the awesome episodes sprinkled here and there during the whole series, The Bad Batch to me is quite a flat show. I found even the Rebels more interesting in comparison.
    Is it me or does anyone else feel like the plot points in the show are way too stretched and the character development isn't as interesting as it might be?
    Because it's not a bad show per se, but I always remember Rebels S1 being visually quite boring and not giving much after Clone Wars, but the character development and build up with Grand Inquisitor was actually very well done!
    I am mostly watching the show because it's Star Wars, it's nice to look at, but I guess I am oversaturated with stuff like, yay, emperor again and yay, cloning - huge mysteries and I wonder where do they lead! Wake me up and let me know if there will be a Star Wars media in the future, which will set up some compelling plot points and mysteries with some actual pay off, that won't be adressed years in the future or if ever at all. So far, only Ahsoka has managed to do it, but left the interesting things on cliffhanger with basically no pay off at all.

    But what I have to say is, that the show is visually amazing. The best looking 3D animation from Lucasfilm up to date for a weekly show.
    Makes it hard to return to S1 of Clone Wars visually :)
     
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    I think the points about the dragging plot and story arcs are valid, but here is something to possibly temper and blur those criticisms. What is being told here, as in most SW shows, is just a small segment in a much larger story. Those undercurrent storylines involving Palpatine and cloning, they are not going to be resolved here. Never were going to be. We are getting a glimpse of how these things affected these characters. We will get resolution of some if not most of this series' plotlines. For me there are two primary stories here- the plight of CF99 and who/what is Omega and her purpose in the Big Story. I think we will get answers this season. Maybe and hopefully not conclusions, but at least answers. I think it would be a great twist if one of the darkest premise shows we have seen actually ends up with a "happy" ending. Let these guys who were never more than disposable tools actually have a peaceful existence.
     
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    That is actually what I am hoping for and interested for. The plight of the squad as you said and Omega's part ot story in all of it. I am sure that the cloning and Palpatine stuff leads to the sequel plot of him somehow getting back, which is actually nice to see at least in show than reading about it in more obscure books.
    What my real hope is, that this is not just a overarching sequel trilogy plot, that we see resolved in Ep. 9, but that it will also have some bigger implications in the show itself and if the 99 with Rex and Omega go to launch the rescue operation on Tantis (and I am looking forward to that), they will at least be able to cripple the Necromancer in some way or have some "epic" ending and payoff that will make the sense for the show.
     
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    Since you mentioned it, and it is clearly still in existence decades later in Mando, Project Necromancer is clearly one of those long-term, era-spanning storylines. I think at this point in the Bad Batch with Hemlock and Tantis, Project Necromancer is not, or not yet, specifically about Palpatine having a way to live forever. Maybe it is about developing super soldiers with Force abilities. Isn't that a plot somewhere in Legends?
     
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    Could be. The word itself could certainly have multiple meanings.

    For the character though, it does make perfect sense for it to be his obsession to conquer death for himself. “All who gain power are afraid to lose it.” He worked for an untold amount of time to grasp his “unlimited power”. He wouldn’t want something as trivial as mortality to get in his way now.

    I liked the wrinkle that TROS threw in - that seeking an apprentice was really only ever about perpetuating himself and not any actual inheritance. Going it one further and having his desire to not even endure that level of sacrifice, is wonderfully consistent with greedy Sith philosophy.

    Personally, I hope it isn’t another ‘super soldier’ plot like Mando S3. I’d rather the ‘unnatural’ incitement be totally self-interested and that’s why these clones are being made to suffer. That was my biggest gripe with TROS’s Palpi-clone reveal. It’s just a ‘dark science’ thing he can do. Cool. But what was the cost? Who are the victims? Someone always has to be hurt to make these deplorable schemes possible. There wasn’t a human toll. Now there is (or might be).

    Bad Batch has really done an excellent job at truly articulating the tragedy of the clones. Human beings, manufactured without genuine agency, to fight in a war they thought was just, only to discover it was all a giant sham. They’re relegated to the state of obsolete tools and decommissioned as antique assets. For the ones capable of displaying a degree of independent thought, they’re made into test subjects for an amoral madman’s inhumane machinations. So sad and so central to this story. But, at its core, it's still about hope.
     
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    But technically, wouldn't it all be the same plot? If the Master Plan is to clone Jedi and engineer them just as the Jango clones were, so they could be manipulated and controlled, then surely over the span of time we know Necromancer to cover, it surely would have changed and evolved several times. Clearly Gideon took his part of the project into an egomaniacal place by cloning himself seemingly unknown to the rest of the Shadow Council.

    Well, the clones obviously, but I think the Jedi are being victimized as well. That's who I think is in those tanks in the vault at Tantis. Possibly some Jedi were captured alive and kept in stasis for the experiment. We also know that very soon they are going to stop using bounty hunters and upgrade to the Inquisitors to hunt.
     
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    I expect Hemlock has numerous nefarious projects going on at Tantis involving cloning. But I don’t feel like Palps would make a site visit for anything other than what’s concerning himself. I just don’t think the guy wants to share the prospect of reproducing Force ability in a lab with anyone. He’s selfish and fearful of challenge. He’d want fewer Force users out there, not more. He wants all the power all for himself. Y’know?
    The Gideon character is an interesting commentary on cultural appropriation. His whole deal was about stealing the strengths of conquered people and making them his own, without any real respect for them. For him, the Force was just an asset he could commodify. One more weapon in his arsenal. Turning this deeply spiritual attribute into a topping on his evil pizza makes total sense to me for his ideology.
    That tracks with what we saw in the Kenobi series.
    I assumed the Inquisitors were more about hunting down Jedi survivors specifically rather than Force users in general. But I imagine they would do both.
     
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    Oh yeah. We know he does and I think there's a lot of meat on that bone, just not here. Could definitely see that in a horror-type comic run like Tales from Jabba's Palace- Tales from Mt. Tantis.

    Good point, unless his arrogance overrides his fear into thinking he can control the FS clones just as he did the Jango clones. Maybe CF99 and their acts are exactly what make him realize that there is always a danger of clones assuming free will and that is what causes him to scratch plans and move on to Plan B.

    I completely agree that Palpatine is thinking two steps ahead and all this is cover story for his ultimate plan to never die. I'm just not sure he anywhere near trusting enough to include many if anyone into his ideas just yet. Maybe Hemlock or Nala have some idea, but I feel his fear and distrust would make him keep this close to his chest. That's why I really don't see Vader showing up at Tantis. Vader is probably the one being Palpatine fears more than any other and surely if he knew of Project Necromancer, he would manipulate it.

    Well we did see them hunting FS children in Rebels and it was hinted at in OWK. In this timeline the Inquisitors are surely close and they could be a major reveal at the end here.
     
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    Cad Bane, damn baby-stealing poodoo face. I knew it was him when I heard the spurs. Anyone know what species the baby & mom are?

    The rations were their downfall.

    I am not a fan of Clone X. Too efficient against the good guys.
     
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    Oh, Omega got captured again. Must be a Tuesday.
     
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    It's an unnamed species, I think first seen in Solo.

    Boy these were a couple of hard hitting episodes. We have a lot to clear up in the last few eps. I do remember we were in a similar situation last season and it all came together, so I have nothing but faith that this is all gonna wrap up nicely, at least from a story perspective.
     
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    Did not enjoy this episode. Just blahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh imo.
     
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