Converted to like the Sequel Trilogy

Uhhhh. Ok. But this is a mess of a film if u loved it or not.

 

Amen.

You offer true Wisdom to your fellow fans.

By far the best comment I've heard on this issue.

It's the greatest advice you could ever offer any SW fan who is having a difficult time accepting this movie as cannon.

My initial reaction after the first viewing of TLJ was complete shock.

Just like Luke told me... it did not go the way I thought.

Once I regained control of all my emotions and really started thinking deeply about the movie, I fell in love with it completely... just like when I was a kid seeing the originals for the first time.

It challenged me to seek answers and expand my mind.

More so than any Star Wars movie ever has before.

Not only within the mythology itself, but in my real life as well.


"Ride the Tide"

-SOAS

 

I was just talking about TLJ with a friend's son yesterday, he's 19, I'm 41. I found it interesting to hear the perspective of someone born around the start of the PT while I was born about 8 months before the OT. A big grin took over my face when right away, without prompting he mentioned how he and nearly everyone he knows like the movie, but he knows one that nit picked and over analyzed every detail, and is the type that always does this. And my son's friend said he doesn't get why this guy is trying so hard to dislike everything, why he can't watch it with the same mindset as the PT when they were kids. I've been saying this all along. Even worse, the naysayer is trying to spread his poison by pointing out the PT problems, like r2 and 3p0 not having familiarity with obi wan, chewie and yodas friendship not referenced when Luke leaves to find yoda, etc. Yes this is all old news to us but my friends son, although he loves SW is not obsessed like us on the forum. Point is, watching without over thinking, like when you were a kid, makes it so much more enjoyable. This kid hadn't even thought about the negatives of the PT other than jar jar without this other bitter complainer planting his negativity, or TLJ. Start actually wanting to enjoy it and maybe you will

 

It was explained in the novel. It is contrived but it is somewhat believable.

I think the bigger plot inconsistency is why does Rey know how to pilot and repair the Millennium Falcon. She calls it garbage and says that ship hasn't flown in years. But she knows that Unkar Plutt jerry rigged it with bad modifications.

But she does not know she is piloting and repairing the legendary Millennium Falcon.

Vadar didn't stop the blaster bolt. He deflected it. It is in the screenplay and the ESB novel.

http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Star-Wars-The-Empire-Strikes-Back.html

He really doesn't have organic tissue to get damaged, his arms are robotic. He can just get a new hand no problem to fix the damage from deflecting the blaster bolt.

Kylo Ren freezing the blaster bolt in mid air was ridiculous in TFA.

Why did the Jedi waste time using there lightsabers to deflect when they could have froze blaster bolts?

Just because TFA added an additional ridiculous force power that no one else has used before doesn't excuse it either.

They jumped the shark with adding new force abilities to untrained users.

But forgetting about that, TFA is just a better movie than TLJ. Doesnt forgive the TFA for its own shark jumping.

I understand this sequel trilogy perfectly fine. Just because they wrote a story and filled in the gaps with Easter Eggs to give evidence for events in the film doesn't make it a good story.

TLJ and TFA do not exist in a vaccum

 

I think when you love something, you choose to overlook the imperfections that others see.

 

Indeed. But to be clear, the point isn’t that you have to leave your brain and maturity at the door to enjoy the films but that extensive head canon, nostalgia and dogmatic views in how it should go, will prevent enjoyment.

For me, as long as they got the big things right (Force concepts etc) then I couldn’t care less about the odd contrived or silly sequence here and there.

I’m not an OT generation fan but I did love the OT first (and most) since the SE in 1997. But I loved the PT films, especially when at the cinema (I struggle watching them now though ironically am watching TPM as I type this with my kids!). TLJ gave me an experience that dwarfed those previous ones, despite being 12 yrs older and wiser since the days of ROTS. It’s full of magical scenes that not only get you on the edge of your seat but challenge and surprise you as well. When I saw the plot holes thread for example after the premiere it was the first time these little details entered my brain. But with TFA, which I didn’t like, I raised similar small plot issues - so I know how people feel. When you don’t like something, the small points stick out. With TLJ I enjoyed the entire ride - even he bits that, on paper and in the cold light of day, I’d might criticise.

All I’d say was that TLJ gave me everything I’d wish for in a SW film, which I really didn’t believe possible anymore. I thought, perhaps because of my age, I had outgrown the films and enjoyed talking about them more than watching them. And perhaps because of this expectation and my willingness to be surprised by Johnson, I was able to just sit back and soak it all in. It obviously helped that some of my major head canon pointers were proven correct but to be honest, it was the surprising moments that I didn’t guess or anticipate that truly made me love this film. More than this, I’m delighted with how RJ added to this masterpiece of a mythological story so that it is relevant and as magical as ever for my kids to enjoy.

 

The Last Jedi is like my wife....

Makes me happy with great visuals.
Doesn't always look the best.
Surprises me.
Does stupid things.
Makes me remember the good old days.
Talks too much and makes me angry.
Comes through when I need it.
Can make bad jokes.
Can be cool and funny.

 

Awesome!
Glad you changed your mind and welcome aboard.

 

Ha, this!

And in my case, re ReyLo scenes, it turns m....ok I won’t go there.

 

Wow I've had sinister ex girlfriends not cause me so much grief, perhaps you and star wars need to get a divorce. About the blast freeze, the Jedi deflected by light saber for the same reason they don't use force lightning, there are powers exclusive to the dark side

 

If JJ can somehow tie Rey and Kylo Ren together with the Force in a way that sort of sums up the 9 movie Saga, then the ST will actually be looked at differently by the naysayers.

I have read several theories that got me interested about the idea of Rey and Ren balancing out the light and dark and finally put an end to this ‘Destructive Conflict.’ If JJ can somehow tie that theme in for Episode 9, then it could be a perfect ending to the overall story.

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I totally get what you’re saying as I’m like that with Star Trek movies, as I enjoy them and don’t look too deeply into them like some of my friends.

But it’s a double edged sword because what makes me a HUGE SW fan is the fact that I take the movies too seriously.

My point is I’m not on any Star Trek boards debating Klingons or Kirk’s ranking, but I’m here posting because of my love for the SW franchise, good and bad.

Every form of entertainment has casual and diehard fans. You could say some sports fans take things too seriously. You can that about fans of movies, tv shows, etc, but it’s that passion that keeps it relevant. Casual fans move onto something else and that is why things become forgettable. Passionate fans keep something going for better or worse, especially a 40 year old movie franchise.

 

Just of out curiosity @YubNubBub ... how many time Ya got to see the Story (My appologies as I'm sure ya posted it some wheres here in the Cantina) ?


As long as You feel better about it to You, that's what matters.
Then there's the rest of us, to you (Lovers/Likers and Non).

What ya said about 'alleged plot holes' and the example (TFA Poe ejects, ends up else where - yep, it's said about both in the TFA novel)
As well as Rey learning to repair/tinker with speeders/ships/machinery/droids & her learning piloting skills (@Disciple of Plagueis ), that's in Rey's short Story in the Before the Awakening book.
As are many other things expanded on are found in the 'Journey to ...' books and comics. Not All of keep up with all of that
(Me ? I like the books, not so much the comics)

I am an OT/OG fan (my profile will tell ya stuff). I have always taken/understood the Stories as just that.
Someone (GL, JJ, Gareth, Rian, etc) made/told a Story and shared it ... with the World.
Meybe, just for me, it's like what

said.
Yep.
Or even meybe imperfection I myself see.

I remember after TPM was released and the meltdown happened. At a point, someone asked Mr. Lucas why that Story was told the way it was ... or some such. I do not quite remember the exact question But I Do Remember his response,
"That's the Story, That's always been the Story."

And meybe coz of him saying that, that's why, to me, I take 'em as they are.
Each and Every.

Sorry .... for the ramble.

Glad you feel better. Let's Talk.

May the Force Be with You, friend.

 

Simple...

1 - Rey, when she was with Platt all these years as his slave/servant/whatever, obviously helped him work on and scavenge parts for the Falcon. She knew her way around the ship instantly upon boarding with Finn. She's obviously been on it, worked on it, and possibly even flew it before.
2 - After her and Finn escape Jakku, shes says she's flown ships before, but has never left the planet. Flying anything in the Star Wars universe obviously makes it much easier to fly other ships your not necessarily familiar with. Example.... Luke flying an X-Wing, Young Anikan flying the Naboo fighter, Poe flying a TIE Fighter, Chewie flying the Imperial Shuttle. Their previous experience, despite being rather limited for some of them, allowed them to use and fly other ships with ease. This is a well established assumption in this universe.
3 - There are probably hundreds of YT-1300 freighters around. It is very likely that Platt simply never told Rey who the previous owner was. And according to Rey, a couple other people owned it before Han, maybe Platt didn't even know.

 

I have no problem with Star Wars. There are plenty of great books and comics in this new cannon. I have a problem with TLJ. I have a problem with TLJ making TFA for the most part irrelevant.

It doesn't cause me grief. I find the mental gymnastics needed to be done to fit this story into this fictional universe quite entertaining.

Of course, the dark side power that only Kylo Ren has.

But Jedi force ghosts can summon lightning.

The point of my argument was that Vadar did not stop the blaster bolt. It was deflected. This ability to deflect blaster bolts was shown in ANH. It is not that much of a stretch to believe a robotic arm controlled by the most powerful dark side force user shown up to this point could not also do this.

I never said it wasn't.

1. Was that during her actual slave time or her independent contractor slave time?

Funny she knows everything about the ship and everyone it was stolen from. Obviously she has never flown it. Han and chewy were looking for it's signature. Seems like they would have picked up on it if she was flying around in it for practice.

2. Biggs told Red Leader Luke was the best bush pilot in the outer rim. Anakin did not fly the ship. The autopilot did.

How did that Tie work out for Poe? Actually this would be the most expected result of someone getting into an unfamiliar ship first time.

3. Maybe. Maybe it was a big conspiracy that way she wouldn't find out here drunkard parents were not GFFA royalty.

 

And so it continues...

 

Well one can assume that if she has never left the planet, Han wasn't able to track it maybe. Either way, when Finn says we need a pilot, she proclaims "WE'VE GOT ONE!". So the script tells us that she can fly a ship. Thats all we need to know.

So lets not over think ones ability to pilot a ship in a universe where that is as common as driving a car.

 

Instead of thinking you know everything yourself, you've come to the conclusion that knowing who knows is far more important and constitutes true wisdom. That's a phase we all have to go through.

 

Glad you changed your mind....however i will always feel betrayed by Disney for what happened with TLJ...though at n fault for anyone in the production itself.
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Wow, that was fast... It took you far longer to eventually keen on TFA...