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Earn your lightsaber, Luke

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by Pobody's Nerfect, Jun 10, 2015.

  1. Pobody's Nerfect

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    Remember when lightsabers were special?

    Luke had a lightsaber in Star Wars. Ben Kenobi gave it to him early in the film.

    Luke was trapped in the garbage compactor, a sealed room in which blaster bolts ricocheted off the walls. A tentacle wrapped around his leg and pulled him under the water. A lightsaber is the perfect tool in this situation. It's designed to sever appendages and it won't ricochet off the walls. But instead of using it Luke begs Han to blast the tentacle.

    Why?

    Later, when Luke is on Dagobah and learning the ways of the Force, he's told by Yoda that he won't need his weapons in the cave. Luke straps on his weapon belt anyway and enters the cave, blaster in hand. Remember he's learning the ways of the Force from Yoda himself, and he chooses to enter the cave with his blaster drawn instead of his lightsaber.

    Why?

    Later still, in Cloud City, Boba Fett surprises Luke and fires a few shots at him in the hallway. Luke has his lightsaber and is fresh from class with Yoda and Ben's ghost. But he still pulls out his blaster and peeks around the corner, ready to trade blaster shots with Boba Fett.

    Why?

    Luke put his blaster away when he faced Darth Vader. He finally put his lightsaber to use. It seemed fitting, didn't it? A clash of good versus evil, between two warriors with identical weapons.

    In my opinion, Luke had to earn his father's lightsaber. Luke wasn't a Jedi in the trash compactor. He wasn't a Jedi when he walked into the Dagobah cave. He wasn't a Jedi when Boba Fett tried to shoot him. Luke became a Jedi when he holstered his blaster and ignited his lightsaber to fight Darth Vader. It took an adversary of Vader's caliber for Luke to earn the right to use it. That's the moment it became Luke's lightsaber. Before the Bespin fight it was Luke's father's weapon. After the Bespin fight it was Luke's. When Luke introduces himself to Jabba as "Luke Skywalker, Jedi Knight and friend of Captain Solo," we knew it was true. Had he tried introducing himself that way on Hoth we would have known he was exaggerating.

    The PT lightsaber fights were better choreographed than the Ben Kenobi vs. Darth Vader fight. The music that accompanied the PT fights were John Williams' finest. But those PT lightsaber fights cheapened the idea of the lightsaber. In the OT, Luke earned his weapon. In the PT, lightsabers are everywhere. Younglings have them. General Grevious alone has four of them. In the arena fight on Geonosis there are too damn many of them. A lightsaber even fell from the sky and almost hit Commander Cody in the head. A lightsaber as a slapstick comedy prop. And lightsabers become so common in the PT, so unremarkable, that Grevious' guards have some kind of shock staff weapon, because the audience has become immune to the magic of lightsabers.

    A slapstick lightsaber falling from the sky wouldn't have worked in the OT. A cyborg general with four light sabers but no Force sensitivity wouldn't have worked in the OT. Younglings with lightsabers wouldn't have worked in the OT. We appreciated the sacred nature of the lightsaber because Luke didn't use his before he was ready.

    I hope lightsabers are as rare in the ST as they were in the OT. I want them rare and personal. I hope J. J. elevates the lightsaber to its rightful place as a mysterious and elegant weapon, like it was in the OT.
     
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  2. John Crichton

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    I'm going to echo that entire thing whole-heartedly. You're spot on about Luke and his earning of the lightsaber. In fact, to hammer it home more I'd mention the point in ROTJ in which he turns himself in, with the officer explaining to Vader "He was armed only with this."... 'this' being his lightsaber -- no pistol.

    For my part, I'm hoping the lightsaber action in the ST is short but incredibly sweet. Essentially the OT presence but with the better choreography and graphics of the PT. Furthermore, like you said they need to be personal. The Vader-Luke duels may not have been as flashy or visually quick as the PT, but I'll be damned if anything can so easily top the level of intensity in they had.
     
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    I doubt Luke would need to earn his second lightsaber since TROTJ, I admit he messed up losing the first one.
     
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    Agree with everything. But I'm not too hopefull about the lightsaber regaining its mystery and power in the ST. We've already been over saturated. Based on the trailers, Kylo is always waving that thing around. I guess we'll see. If there is only one Jedi left, that probably means we'll have only Anakin's, Luke's and Kylo's sabers in the movie. I don't like the idea of Kylo whipping out the saber to kill a bunch of villagers. Vader never pulled his saber unless he was gonna duel someone.
     
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    I've always thought the scenes cut from TESB which showed Luke training with his saber sounded great. I mean, in a way I'm glad they were cut from the film, but it would be great to see whatever footage was shot for them one day...


    Anyway, that's kind of by the by - getting back to the topic, I totally agree with what you are saying. To simplify it even further still: Luke was this guy who happened to have been given a lightsaber, but for a while, his blaster was still his go-to weapon. It's kind of symbolic of the journey he is on, to eventually stop relying on the quick and easy path...
     
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  6. Pobody's Nerfect

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    Thank you. That's exactly the transition I was talking about.
     
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    That's deep man.
     
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    He did put it to good use before the dagobah cave when he used the lightsaber to open a hole in the belly of the At-At before he threw a concussion grenade inside. Just saying...
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    I think Luke apart from a quick lesson from obi wan onboard the millennium falcon hadn't got the first clue how to fight with a lightsaber before meeting yoda. At that point he probably felt he had more experience using a blaster and therefore more confident with it than the lightsaber. As for the trash compactor scene I think in the sheer panic and with a dianoga wrapped very tightly trying to drown him I doubt very much it was because he felt unworthy to use it. More likely he probably didn't think a lightsaber would do anything to a magnetically sealed trash compactor and when the dianoga was trying to drown him he needed both hands to stop it from strangling him to death. It is a shame we didn't see him have lightsaber training from Yoda in TESB because it really makes no sense that he could fight against vader at all in a duel later on. Vader had years and years of jedi lightsaber training. Realistically that duel wouldn't have lasted a second. That really highlights my biggest problem with the OT. How could Luke become a Jedi Knight at all with very little training from Yoda. He didn't even complete his training. Despite TESB being hailed by many as the best star wars movie, why in the hell didn't it show more of Luke's training with yoda? Why didn't it show Luke complete his training. It's the one thing about the OT that really annoys me.
     
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    I agree with your sentiment about using the lightsaber infrequently and having respect for it. It seems like the way of the samurai. One's honour is said to reside in one's own lightsaber. Like the samurai, the jedi should try to find a peaceful solution first and only draw their lightsaber when necessary.
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    I know as little as anyone about how the ST is going to play out but my hunch is Kylo Ren won't be like the Sith of old. I've read that Kylo Ren is going to bring something new to the saga so even though he is a devotee of the late Darth Vader I don't believe he will be cut from the same cloth. The Sith as I understand it are no more. Kylo Ren belongs to an order called the Knights Of Ren. I don't know how much he is devoted to the order but I get the feeling Kylo Ren hasn't had the same discipline imposed on him as Vader would have as a sith apprentice. I don't think he will adopt the same Sith lightsaber etiquette his dark side forbears would have. I think kylo Ren might be the type of guy to slaughter indiscriminately and hack up as many villagers with his cross guard lightsaber as possible. I think he might have anger issues and might not be one hundred percent in control of his powers all of the time. I could be wrong about that but I hope I'm not.
     
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    The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi did not disappoint. Way to restore the elegance and mythology, JJ and Rian!
     
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    While I like the idea of earning the lightsaber, the reason that the lightsabers are cheapened in the PT is because that there are simply more of them in the lore. During the OT, there are barely any lightsabers left.
     
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    Of course there are more lightsabers in the PT. There are more Force users in this trilogy.



    Luke had to create his own lightsaber. Why are so many people obsessed with Anakin's second lightsaber. It's just a damn weapon. Worse, it was used in the Jedi Purge. J.J. Abrams and/or Rian Johnson should have left it lost to all eternity.
     
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    this thread makes no sense.

    A lightsaber is a weapon of the jedi and the PT showed the Jedi at their prime (or past their prime ....), but they were still around in big numbers so how do wanna do movies with jedis in action and not use the lightsaber?

    In the OT and ST the Jedis are
    extinct, so its freaking obvious that the numbers of lightsabers are way less than in the PT and that they also become kind of
    mysterious and magical.





    While we are on it, I would rather see how powerful lightsabers are, remember the scene when Qui Gon is melting the door in TPM? Exactly, we need more of that stuff imho.

     
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    With respect, there's a lot more than rarity in the OT that make lightsabers mysterious and magical.

    It's an archaic weapon in a futuristic space opera. Lightsabers remind us that chivalry and courage still matter in a Galaxy with Death Stars and Star Destroyers, that individuals with bravery can make a difference against starfighters and stormtroopers. A lightsaber needs the wielder's strength, athleticism, and courage to be used well - mastering one takes more effort than pulling a trigger.

    There's something elegant about it, something regal about the people who use it. To pull a trigger and destroy a planet is a formidable power, but it's power too easily attained. To stand face to face with your enemy, both of you holding identical melee weapons, and knowing that only one of you will walk away - that's what makes Star Wars special.

    You said this thread makes no sense. Is there is a question I (or another Cantina patron) can answer to help explain it?
     
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    Gosh
     
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    I think that is very much up for debate. I think the fights in TPM are excellent, but I don't like a single light saber battle in the other two movies. I think they are awful to be honest.

    I think the new movies have done a good job at doing just that. They have taken the less is more approach and late saber fights actually mean something again. How often they were you and all the flipping and twirling is a good representation of what is wrong with the prequels.
     
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    Reminds me of this excerpt from one review of the PT films:

     
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    Excellent observations, well written.

    Let's get back to 1980 and the extensive ESB review in Fantastic Films (IIRC Bill Hays). One major point of criticism (I remember up to this day) had been the use of Luke's lightsaber in the Wampa cave, its use by Han on the Tauntaun and by Luke to open the belly hatch of the Snow Walker.

    The reviewer felt that the elegant weapon of a Jedi Knight had been downgraded to a Swiss Army knife tool, but your observations seem to indicate it had been a deliberate choice (the reviewer apparently didn't catch).

    Furthermore, the scenes you observed did help to set up ROJ, from "a certain point of view". Once Luke realizes that there is no point negotiating with Jabba he grabs a blaster.
    Given events in ESB it didn't seem to be out of character (and conveniently obfuscated any possible questions about the whereabouts of his lightsaber which he originally had been assembling in the cave)

    But apparently Lucas felt that wasn't good enough and kept the whole lightsaber a secret until it was finally needed on Jabba's sailing barge.
     
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    Agreed. Casting an actual martial artist/stuntman to play Darth Maul was a fantastic choice. Casting Christopher Lee as Count Dooku? It was hard to take him seriously. He was just so "meh" and unconvincing as a threat to the Jedi.
     
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    I don't know, I thought Christopher Lee was perfect as Dooku. I just think that Dooku shouldn't have been in a lightsaber fight to being with, instead playing from the shadows like a pseudo-Palpatine.
     
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