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FINALLY, A SCI-FI WESTERN HEIST IN A MAJOR FILM!! (Let's talk about finally having an ACTION film!)

Discussion in 'Solo' started by Jayson, May 28, 2018.

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  1. Jayson

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    I'm pretty much right there with you! :)

    Though, I'm a heretic. I'm not really a fan of ESB.
    I don't like it because it's too "modern" with its story form. I don't actually like "character driven" stories over adventure stories.
    I'll still watch it if you give me a character driven adventure story (TFA, ESB, TLJ), but I'll always prefer the pure adventure (Solo, ANH, ROTJ...ish).
    And I really don't care how popular of an idea that is either.
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    @ScumAndVillainy and @BobaFettNY21
    Please keep off of comparing sizes in this thread. If you want to do this, please go to the appropriate thread.

    This is a thread for talking about the film asthetic and that it's an action film.
    It is also a hate free thread, as stated in the opening thread.
    Thank you,
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    Says it all right here. Let's stay on topic guys.

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    @Jayson I was going to start a separate thread on it, but decided to add it to here.....how about the Millenium Falcon? I thought Howard came up with some very interesting visual perspectives on everyone's favorite quirky, yet iconic, YT-1300 freighter.

    The close up shots across the back of the engine exhaust.....close ups of Han/Chewie flipping switches, etc......Han tapping on the electronic display at the end to get it to come up (reminiscent of Han turning around and pounding on the door frame in TESB to get power to come on).....the sounds of the Falcon all captured perfectly (for example when L3 is integrated into the Navicomputer)....Lando's "Cape Room".....the dice hanging in the cockpit at the end. Loved all of it, so well done!
     
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    I really enjoyed the part you mention where the millenium falcon kicks into high gear and the camera moves through the engine out to the exhaust. At that moment I was like "oh yeah...this is totally the guy who directed Rush". The falcon felt much more like a race car than anything else in this movie, which I thought was a cool angle.
     
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    In general, I loved all of the angles and how much of the ship we got to see.
    I'm looking forward to rewatching this film this weekend; I'll be focusing on the little things more.

    I did notice all of that, but I don't have much to say at the moment about them other than that they were cool, but I think (don't know) that I'm missing a narrative element that's taking place with those shots - perhaps not. I'll know more on second viewing.
    I did enjoy that we really explored the ship far more, and the amount of finding new angles inside of the Falcon was impressive considering that it's such a tight space.

    I was impressed how often I felt like this was the first time that I was seeing the cockpit; even with Abrams' treatments, there were never this many angles shoved in there. We get a very solid sense of how the cockpit feels from almost every spot in the cockpit in this film, and we have a much more cohesive navigational sense of the ship as a whole, rather than it being as it has been in the past, just a bunch of separate shots and the occasional jaunt down the same hallway.
    It felt more like we followed the Falcon's interior and not so much popped to a character's next moment.

    People actually move through the ship and we stick with them while they do that; that's new (at least in such depth and volume).

    I'll probably have more thoughts after the next viewing.

    Cheers,
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    So I thought it was a really well made, and well paced, movie. (I know 'pacing' is a thing with the nay sayers)

    Han Solo has been my favorite since '77, so I was interested to say the least. I thought Alden did the thing! I thought he was great, and at no time did I think "you know what? That Harrison guy should have....."

    None of that.

    I wanted a fun movie. I got a fun movie. The only problem I had was how he got his last name, but otherwise it was solid.

    I hate that it's come down to Disney vs. the world vs. trolls vs. Star Wars vs. Lucas vs. Marvel vs. everything.

    I mean.....I loved it. Since Disney bought the damn thing, I'd put R1 and SOLO at the top. I love the other two, but these guys really hit it for me on a visceral level that the episodes didn't, but I still love them too.

    Especially Star Wars: The Last Jedi by Rian Johnson.

    Hate way all you nerds!!

    (Edit-before-I-posted-it:) THE SOUNDTRACK!!!! I spun up a playlist of ALL of the SW soundtracks. No lie....I thought the stuff from R1 and SOLO were better stuff than TFA and TLF. AND.......don't hate......but the prequel soundracks......well.....that's some good stuff homie.
     
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    The Dude has spoken! Great to see you @dudebrohomie .....welcome to one of the most epic SOLO threads on here.

    I am right there with you on ranking my favorites. Look at my profile page.....R1 and SOLO at #2 and #3 (after ANH)

    ....however SOLO is really really growing on me. Might move it up after a couple more watches. Been listening to the soundtrack nearly nonstop since I saw the movie on the 25th....
     
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    OK, "Train Heist".....wow.....just....wow.....cannot make up my mind for the favorite part of this score...…

     
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    I just took one of my Kevins to see it (son named Kevin, stepson named Kevin....it's a thing). Second viewing for me, first for him. He told me afterwards it might be his favorite one. I thought it was just as good, maybe better, the second time through.

    My daughter though has not seen it due to mixed reviews. The reviews for the most part are good, but it's the infernal 'money thing' that's kept her away I'm pretty sure. And that's sad because it's a really really fun movie!

    My oldest son (not a Kevin.....and in hindsight, we should have named him 'Not a Kevin', I suppose) said that it worked well because it wasn't actively trying so hard to be a SW movie. I think that idea has some merit.

    The Empire was barely in it. No x-wings, almost no lightsaber (ALMOST made it!). I thought it checked off the right boxes without hitting you over the head with it.

    The life debt thing wasn't spelled out, but that's fine. If folks aren't going to see it for whatever reason, they are missing out on a really neat experience.
     
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    With you Dude.....what is sad about all this is SOLO is a kick-ass movie.....at the wrong time. Someone else on here said it best about SOLO - it really captures the same feeling(s) you had when watching A New Hope the first time.

    For me, SOLO and Rogue One are the most "Star Wars" movies of the LFL/Disney era.....
     
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    I'm there with Solo, but not Rogue One.

    Rogue One was very, "Meh", for me.
    It was needed, for folks that like that style, but I didn't care about annyone at all because I knew they were all deadmen walking, so I can't really care about a threat when you are already dead to me. Maybe if I didn't know that it would be different.

    Also...geeze, what a downer of a film.
    Literally everyone dies. So few films kill everyone.

    But Solo...yep. Bang on.
    It's marketing issues; not timing thiugh.
    Walk through your grocery store and look for Solo stuff (signs, trailers on tv's, cereal, shopping bags, pillows, etc...).

    You won't see much.
    You will still see TLJ stuff, though.
    I can find more TLJ stuff in a store right now than Solo stuff.

    Cheers,
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    Saw the film for a second time today, and it was a brilliant ride a second time!
    I can't wait to get this on disc!

    Nothing new to add to the visuals so far, except to say that I did notice the image was darker.
    But I knew it was going to be off right from the beginning, because when the LFL logo splashed on the screen, you could clearly see the projector was not calibrated correctly, as the edges were doubled, and you could see two light source streams cutting through the darkness right next to each other - meaning, it was still set and running for 3D, and sure enough, the film was a bit darker.
    This time around, I couldn't see the trinkets hanging off of Proxima clearly; they just looked like chains without any real definition. Last time I could clearly see them in good detail, and could easily grasp that they were the trinkets from the kid thieves.
    That, and when it got to the first shot on Vandor, what was last time a bright white snow scene was a slightly off-white scene.

    I look forward to the disc where these issues won't be a problem.


    Not related to visuals, but I happened to catch that Han mispronounces Sabaac in the same way that Lando subsequently mispronounces Han's name, which makes Lando's pronunciation even more fun because it's a purposeful jab left over from their first encounter and not just the way that he talks.

    That's all for now, until later.

    Cheers,
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    First I wanted to say after reading your posts in this thread that I really like the cut of your mental jib, as it were. I feel pretty much the same about the movie, not just because it's a Star Wars movie but (much like Logan, another recent favorite of mine) it manages to transcend the franchise in a classic form of cinematic storytelling.

    I haven'n't read many reviews (I've given up on critics being able to objectively analyze a film without introducing a great amount of subjective biases which are usually of the most shallow and ill-thought-out contradictory kind) but I have seen a couple and was also surprised(?) that the lighting of the first halfish of the film wasn't clearly understood as an intended form of visual storytelling. The only real options are: 1. This is intended or 2. Ron Howard (of all people) doesn't know how to properly light a scene. I guess they went with option 2?

    But I agree, if you're not seeing something clearly, you're not supposed to be seeing it clearly. I think this is a clear choice to show the shadow of the world hanging over Han (and to a greater degree, the shadow of the Empire hanging over the galaxy) until the ending, as Han escapes his past and as the fledgling rebels are unveiled at the end. It seems clear to me this is all presented by way of the overture-like scene with Proxima, and the "world" Han is living in being shrouded in darkness until he acts and a beam of light shines through into the world.

    So then the last we see of Qi'ra she is still in the shadows. Great classical visual storytelling - completely missed by critics who you would think would know something about the trade. It's funny when you think about it - this lighting technique is a good analogue for the understanding of these critics. Shrouded in darkness until a beam of light can come shining through.
     
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    Absolutely agree on the motifs here.

    I find the epitome of the light and dark dance motif of being trapped and free - the running theme of the show - is the reprise of Ha's narrow escape tactic that he does in Kessel.
    Everywhere around is darkness, even inside of the cockpit, which could be lit if someone wanted to, so it's clearly a theme choice, and off in the distance where they are aiming is a very bright shine of light (even though, from the makeup of the planet that we saw, that's impossible).

    I might be looking to much into things, but - to me - there's something symbolically beautiful in that they go full circle in the Falcon to line up from despair to hope; from darkness to light. A fraction of a chance, a split moment of time. Only available after going through everything and getting back to where you started - your beginning; your north. And that is your fleeting chance, with everything pulling you back.

    That's poetically beautiful in that moment to me.

    Great film!

    Cheers,
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    That is a remarkable insight. I'd give you a medal if I could but I don't think I can do that with this account. At any rate, remind me to pay attention to your posts.
     
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    Just spent about 35 minutes reading through this entire thread again.....wow....this is why I love the Cantina!

    Thanks @Jayson !
     
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    I wish for more Tobias Beckett, bad@ss space cowboy.
     
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    Thank you! So many people hate the lighting, but it is intentional and it adds a subtlety to a not so subtle film. I LOVE IT!!!
     
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    What can I say.
    I adore, I love Solo.
    Every character, every ship, every planet, every costume, every scene, every minute.
    The cinematography, the photography, the music, the smart humor, the mood, the vibe.
    Star Wars, old school vibes, special effects and action.
    Kasdan, Howard, casting.
    Love it. All of it.
     
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