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Giancarlo Esposito Knows Nothing About The Mandalorian Season 4, but Would Return if Jon Favreau Asked Him

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    The third season of The Mandalorian had a tragic ending in store for the main antagonist of the show so far, as Giancarlo Esposito's Moff Gideon lost his fight against the Mandalorians and was caught by a column of fire caused by Axe Woves crashing a giant ship into the Empire's base. However, that happened just a few minutes after we learned that Moff Gideon had been secretly working on creating Force-sensitive clones of himself (tying up an open plot thread from the first season), which fueled some speculation that the Gideon we saw die was actually one of those clones.



    In a recent interview with TheWrap, Esposito himself addressed his presence in the third season of the show and that piece of speculation about his possible return in future seasons. It's not the first time the actor professes public admiration for the work that Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni are doing in the show, and in the interview, he tried to explain why he finds Gideon such an exciting character:



    [​IMG] Moff Gideon (Giancarlo Esposito) in Lucasfilm's THE MANDALORIAN, season three, exclusively on Disney+. ©2023 Lucasfilm Ltd. & TM. All Rights Reserved.



    So when asked about the possibility of him coming back, either as one of the clones in the army or after revealing that the character that we saw at the end of the episode was actually a clone, Esposito revealed that he knows nothing about the next season:



    This is certainly an interesting comment, considering that Esposito was the first to reveal that Favreau and Filoni were looking into making at least four seasons of The Mandalorian back in 2020. At the time, before season 2 even premiered, he told People Magazine:



    [​IMG] (Center): Moff Gideon (Giancarlo Esposito) with Imperial armored commandos in Lucasfilm's THE MANDALORIAN, season three, exclusively on Disney+. ©2023 Lucasfilm Ltd. & TM. All Rights Reserved.



    Of course, almost three years later, this doesn't mean much. Plans could have changed for what Favreau and Filoni first outlined, Esposito could have been bluffing back then about how much he knew, or he could be lying now. However, as much as we've come to love him by now, the truth is that Gideon's presence has been felt more off-screen than on-screen.



    He's had an episode and a half of screen time per season, so it's not like The Mandalorian needs him as an antagonist. We've already learned a lot about him, and since the end of season 3 teased the end of an era for Din Djarin, perhaps we are moving on from him too. At the same time, we were teased quite a showdown with Grand Admiral Thrawn in Chapter 23 and the show has been at its finest whenever it utilizes Gideon, so there's that to take into account as well.



    Production on The Mandalorian season 4 has been postponed indefinitely, as Lucasfilm waits for the writers' strike to be over (it was initially targeting an October start in LA). We will likely not be getting it before 2025.



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    You know nothing, Giancarlo.

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    It's disappointing that the strike is ongoing, but considering what these companies are paid, I don't see why the actual creative's can't have some more of the money in those hallowed walls. Pay up, greedy corporate bastards.
     
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    " I would love to keep dying and coming back. That’d be my favorite thing of all. There are a lot of ways to go and I’m open to whatever they have in play."

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    I liked Gideon, but I don't think he needs to be resurrected.

    Let's move on from him now. Even if you want a Shadow Council villain, we have plenty more to draw from. And with Thrawn on the horizon, I don't see a need to draw Gideon's tale out.
     
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    Gideon will be back. It's just a matter of when it will happen.
     
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    Agreed. That chapter should be closed. Keep it fresh. Keeping MG around would just stagnate the series. The shows needs bold moves in order to keep it interesting IMO.
     
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    Mr. Esposito did a perfect job. Nothing should be done to blemish it, and resurrecting MG would cheapen the legacy of the character and the actor's work. I think they'll pull out a perfectly good villain in due time.
     
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    I think it is near 100% certain that a Gideon will appear in the future. There wouldn't be a whole lot of point to the self-cloning plot if we don't, at some point, see an active and threatening Gideon clone. And for the record, I suspect we might already have seen such a clone, and possibly more than one:
    --The Gideon in the villain's lair was, IMHO, probably the clone;
    --The Gideon who attempted suicide at the end of season 2 might be another one, OR it was the original Gideon who simply trusted that his work would go on in one of his clones, that's also a posibility;


    As I see it, this is the Jon Snow cliffhanger all over again: ending the arc here makes for a weirdly written arc. It is much more likely that this is a false death to set up the next stage of the arc.
     
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    ummm, ok, well you've changed my made-up mind on this whole idea. If any of those are the situation, I'm ok with his return. And don't get me wrong, I hated to see Gideon AND Giancarlo go, but now there is hope to bring him back and do it well.

    Oooh. What if he is still in NR custody? What was the shuttle break-out? Remember in S1 when he has them trapped in the Cantina and some one says, "that can't be Moff Gideon, he was executed for war crimes" maybe he was!?
     
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    Good points. Here's my dream scenario, 'cause I appreciate Giancarlo's ability, (but I am totally plucking this out of the hindquarter): Mando s4 sees the return of Gideon/clone-Gideon. There is another clone too, a younger clone (de-age technology?) who is being groomed to be the perfect future Gideon -- more powerful, more daring, more skillful, more gideon. As the plot matures, there comes a moment when True-Gideon must depend upon young-Gideon, but we learn that a person's inner self isn't predetermined in a clone -- your body might be a copy but your sould (or whatever) is not (as we have also seen in a bunch of Clone Troopers); We get a Gideon-on-Gideon conflict, at which I am certain Giancarlo would absolutely excel, whereing the young-Gideon clone, who's all love at the center, defeats True-Gideon once and for all, thereby saving the day in some lasting manner. Something like that, only well-written and powerful, would be quite an interesting ride, I believe.
     
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    Very rarely do we have a villain get killed off without knowing who the next big-bad is going to be. Right now, there isn't a direct "next-in-line".... there's the threat of Thrawn but that hasn't fully crossed into Mando yet, though it very likely will. We saw the Shadow Council but I don't think any of those will be physical threats the way Gideon was.

    So yeah, I agree with those above who have said he will return. It may be just to pass the villain torch, but he will be back.
     
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    While Gideon was a fun villain, by the end of season 3, I had felt that they'd taken his character as far as it could go, and it seemed like a good enough place to leave off with him. Thus, I'm ready for a new villain now and I initially wasn't pleased with the rumours that he might return. However...
    These would be interesting scenarios to see. I am still ready for a new villain regardless, but I'll reserve judgement on the Gideon thing until we see how it plays out in season 4.
     
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    Maybe.
    It's possible that was just the writers trying to get themselves out of a corner, too.

    I mean, Favreau early on said there was no end in point for the series, at least at the time of that quote. It's possible the cloning stuff established in Season 2 was meant to represent... well, anything, really (possibilities range from cloning himself, to Snoke, to anything), and the writers included the deaths of the Gideon clones to try and close the book on that possibility.
     
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    We all need to keep in mind that Star Wars (like Marvel and DC and other franchises) are essentially comic book stories on the big and small screen. And I'm not using the term, comic book, in a derogatory way--I'm talking about a type of serial story-telling that has a long history BEFORE George Lucas ever came into the picture.

    So when it comes to comic book deaths, it's extremely hard for new writers to come on board and keep dearly departed heroes and villains dead. Whether its a good move or a bad one, its just too darn tempting to bring a fan favorite back to life. Show me a great comic book character who died and stayed dead. Somehow, someway, they always come back.

    You might have thought the big screen would be different but it's not. There's no better example of this than Palpatine's return in TROS. I doubt I'll still be around to see it, but I'd bet money that someday Darth Vader will return too.
     
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    FWIW, I'm not sure I disagree with that as a fact, but I do disagree with that as a strategy.

    Star Wars should be able to tell different types of stories. Heroic mystical epics, love stories, gritty war stories, comedies, horror, mystery... and certainly, comic-style and serialized storytelling has a place. Heck, I really like the current comic runs. The Vader stuff is always good, Aphra is an amazing original character, I think the comics add a lot to the universe.

    But not everything needs to be like this. I think that Star Wars mediums can have layers to things. The way the old canon was organized makes this clear- the movies are the "highest" canon, TV shows under that, then books/comics/video games, all have their place. I think this comic-bookiness kinda lends itself to those "lower" levels of canon better than the higher ones. Stuff like movies and live action TV should feel higher stake than perhaps they do right now.

    Like, I don't mind if Darth Maul comes back in Rebels, and even if he eventually makes his way back to the big screen in Solo. Heck, I think it's a shame Solo never followed that cliffhanger up with a sequel. I don't even fully hate that Palps returned in TROS. But it should remain an anomaly, not the expectation.
     
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    Totally agree. My point is simply that the nature of the story telling and the availability of iconic characters from the past make it awfully tempting to "go there." That's why Maul returned to Rebels, why Palp returned in TROS, and most recently, why IG-11 returned to The Mandalorian.

    Sorry to say it, but the odds of similar High Profile Returns never happening again are slim to none.
     
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