Hans...suicide?

There are fans out there who are in such desperate need of a new Star Wars white male lead protagonist with force abilities who functions as a legacy character (and will be Rey's down-the-road lover to boot) that they try to convince themselves that this trilogy is really all about Kylo's redemption. They are pretty much fanboys of Kylo. Then there are the female fans who want him to become good or want it to be a ruse all along that he was bad because they care only about shipping him with Rey. Both groups are able conjure up scenarios in which Kylo's actions are justifiable or mere misdirections. And because of this they can dismiss the killing of Han as something more along the lines of a "sacrifice" by Han to help Kylo keep his cover. Pretty sad.

Of course to be fair there is a third option of geeky fans who can't help but to come up with non-stop insane scenarios and theories.

 

Well I can't blame them. We're running out of "Good-walkers". I just don't buy the Rey will "become" a good Skywalker theory because.

A. She's 2 old 2 adopt.

B. She's (assuming not related) not going to marry KR because I'm certain he'll die.

C. 2 young 4 Luke.

If she's not a Skywalker or Clone then Rey will just be that. A Rey. Anakin didn't become a Kenobi just as Obi-Wan didn't become a Jinn. Padawan doesn't mean adoption folks.

So we (assuming Rey is just Rey) the Skywalker family fans just may have Luke in EPIX & I say 50/50 he'll be ded then 2.

 

Han wouldn't go out this way.

 

Rey is 99.9% a nobody and will become a Jedi not like the father she always wanted. Kylo will stay conflicted and become the evil he loves most about his grandfather. Han didn't commit suicide...

 

She could for another four films be referenced by others in the GFFA as "Skywalker's student, sucessor, legacy."

She is friends with another who has no last name Finn. Perhaps their child will be given a certain Skywalker surname. Han Skywalker sounds a good fit.

 

Kylo Ren killed him. If not, what he's gong through in TLJ would be pretty pointless.

As for Rey, if you look at this trilogy like a mirror of the prequel, Rey and Anakin are opposites, but in the same position. He was born from the Force, had a loving mother, went dark and met a light Queen. Rey's origins are currently unknown, she had no family, is light and met a dark Prince.

 

Yep that's a accurate reconstruction.

 

Interesting thought, but I just think that bringing Ren back to the FO is far more dangerous in the end.

 

Kylo has made the Anti-Luke journey. Luke refused to kill his father and became a Jedi. Kylo was sent to face his father. And killed him.

Han's mission was to bring him back.

 

That's how I see it too.

He's an Anti-Luke and opposite Anakin.

 

this is a really really old old old theory dredged up again because people need something to chew on while we wait out the countdown.

Han's sacrifice was to do the "anything" Ren Ben asked of him.
Han probably never expected it was to die, but he accepted it when it happened.

some people have trouble dealing with that and like to weave all these motivations and complex rationalizations.
the truth is much simpler than that: a father loved his son and was there for him no matter the consequences.
that's all that mattered to Han in that moment.
hopefully it will have mattered to Ben as well.

 

When he hugs Leia goodbye, if you look at his face, I feel Han knew he was not coming home. He knew even if he died, he would reach his son, but he somehow knew this was it.

 

he certainly knew confronting his son wouldn't be as simple as just bringing him home.

honestly, sometimes i think Leia is a little self-deluded about what's going on.
i think the trauma of everything that's happened to her has caused in her some kind of weird disconnect.

 

It's possible. At the end of the novel she assures Rey she won't end up like Han and sends her off to Luke, but to me it sounds like she might have suspected Han would get killed. Maybe it's cold to think of it that way, but I feel she wanted Ben returned at any cost and Han knew this, but only after he died did she realize just how costly her wish had been.

 

exactly ~ i mean, what did she think was going to happen?

and we've yet to learn how much she blames Luke for what's going on.
we know from Han's reaction to the name that there was some serious bitterness there.
does Leia want Luke back to help with the Resistance or to fix Ben?
they had no problem blowing up Starkiller even knowing Ben could be there.
so she knew one way or another that either Han would die or Ben would.

it does feel "cold" to me, but she's also in the impossible position of being a mother and a general.
i don't know how she can make the decisions she's making.

 

he could never bring Ben home, both Han and Leia knew that.

all Han could do was 'show' his son the way home, and he certainly did that.

many of us have said this from the start. Leia was and always will be our princess.. but she knew. I'm not knocking her for it. In her position, as a parent i would have done anything.. sacrificed anything.

 

There is a major difference between facing possible or likely death with hope however small than committing suicide.

Further why crap on Han. Are we suggesting he loved his son sooooo much he let Ben kill him to be a better 1st Order soldier or evil force guy.

Han was shocked that Ben seemed to soften. His hope grew. Then Ben made his hard choice. Hence there is shock on Han's face.

 

Yes I feel the same way! I feel that she's trying to be a General and a mother and her choice in that moment was not one a leader would make. Her reaction when he died was a disbelief that shows me she really didn't think Ben would be capable of killing his father, so if she is not forgiving in TLJ I would not be surprised. She might start to feel he is like her father and is a lost cause now.

Meanwhile Han who had given up, finally saw the good in him Leia saw, even after he stabbed him. It was just too late.