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How could the Jedi not figure out the Sith Lord?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Clone Wars' started by Irt Malk, Jul 1, 2015.

  1. Irt Malk

    Irt Malk Rebelscum

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    Anyone else who have thought about this.
    For example.....
    Palpatine's voice and aswell everything except eyes and forehead were heard and seen when Yoda encountered Sidious during his, should I say, spiritual journey (season 6 episode 12 "sacrifice"). I know that it was a tense battle, but still Yoda must have paid very much attention to every single detail during his journey.
    In season 6 there is as well 3/4 episode concerning "protocol 66". The kamonians acted very suspicious and all because they had orders from the Chancellor. At this point the Jedi council acted very arrogant. Fives told Anakin, Rex and Shaak Ti A LOT about this very secret matter and even how the chancellor attacked him. I know he seemed crazy at the time, but shouldn't the Jedi council at least gone to the chancellor's office or something like that.

    Well I've written far to much know what do you guys think?
     
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    Clouded by the dark side many things are, in these times.

    In the Old EU, a Jedi came with the idea of doing a midchlorian test to find out who the heck is the Sith Lord. But he/she was killed indirectly by Sidious.


    The weird thing is: Dooku told Obi-Wan that the Republic was controlled by a Sith Lord...
     
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    In a story (now it is considered :Legend) Quinlan Vos under guidance of Count Dooku attended a banquet.There he met Palpatine and a senator(don't remember his name).Dooku ordered him to kill the RIGHT person.The Jedi felt evil there and though the senetor was a Sith Lord and he was killed by Vos .Palpatine could mask himself very well,manipulating the force to cover his real identity.
     
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    Hm but technically he never said it was a Senator or anyone related to the government. Obi-Wan may have just been arrogant assuming that Dooku was lying (most likely, the perceived arrogance of the Jedi leaking into Obi-Wan), but at the same time he and the other Jedi might have been looking for someone outside the government influencing the senators (much like real life, money talks).

    "The Dark Side has clouded their vision. Hundreds of senators are now under the influence of a Sith lord called Darth Sidious."

    EDIT: Also remember Obi-Wan's judgment may have been clouded by all that hair.

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    So at the time Dooku was still a Jedi. Vos meet Palpatine and another senator which was a Sith Lord for real?
    --- Double Post Merged, Jul 2, 2015, Original Post Date: Jul 2, 2015 ---
    And Palpatine do you remember what he did?
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    I hate that haircut. It was in some way so non Jedi and non Obi Wan to me.
     
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    At least it was corrected for RotS. :D
     
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    Mhm
     
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    Sorry for the confusion:this took place DURING the Clone Wars(so Dooku was a Sith).In the EU,Quinlan Vos was a spy of the Jedi in the Trade Fedaration . Dooku's plan was to kill that senator(who was JUST a senator,I don't remember why Dooku wanted him dead). Dooku explained that a Sith lord would be attending. Vos then met Palpatine and the senator.Vos was sure that senator was the Sith cause he felt the presence of a Sith. Little did he know that Sidious has hidden his presence (,,shroud of the dark side").That was my way to explain why Jedi were unable to point out who was the Sith Lord.
    Oh,and as I read above @Paulo Henrique said that Count Dooku told Obi Wan Kenobi that the sith lord is in the Republic itself(don't remember exactly what he said,been a long time since I saw AOTC). True,but Kenobi and other Jedi could have thought that Dooku wanted them to turn against each-other and the must have thought he was lying.
     
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    I dunno... You seem to know way too much about this stuff for someone who's not a Sith Lord.

    ;)
     
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    A novel I guess? Haven't red it what. What is it called?
     
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    Star Wars Republic 63:Striking from the Shadows 2004.
     
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    Thanks
     
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    The funny thing is that even though Palps could cloud the Jedi vision so that nobody could tell he was a Sith by feeling the dark side, he was so awesome that he completly clouded them from feeling the force as well! Jedi can feel the force from infants and strong Jedi like Vader could even feel the force in others from far away like he did with Luke in the first Death Star battle. Luke did the same when he felt Vader on the Executor. Even if old man Palps was wearing Ysalamiri underwear or had a nice pair of Yuuzhan Vong Underoos he would have still made the Jedi fell akward close to him as he would have felt like a big emptyness to the force users yet he was so darn strong that he made himself seem completly devoid of the force.
    $$$.JPG
     
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    The funniest part was that the Jedi were so ignorant they didn't notice the sith statues that Palpatine had in his office. I'm also wondering why Palpatine would take such a grave risk when putting the statues in his office. Very foolish in my opinion.
     

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    Who ever said that those are Sith statues?
     
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    I`ve heard so...
    Perhaps it was just some speculation, I`m not quite sure.
     
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    While Palpatine and Dark Side had a major role in the fall of the Jedi, I always felt that they gave him a helping hand.

    They allowed their teachings to solidify and become dogma and were unable to change with times and circumstances. They lost touch with the Force and were easy to manipulate. Plus, they were a part of political system and then, on top of it, became soldiers. They served the system rather then people. The Jedi way would be not to fight the separatists, but address the reasons for their dissatisfaction (corruption, etc.) - be mediators and peacekeepers. They lost all objectivity and they couldn't see the truth even when it was served to them on a silver platter (by Dooku, for example). They were blinded not just by the Dark Side, but their own mistakes as well.

    If they were who they should have been, maybe a version of Order 66 would have still happened, but they would not have been slaughtered like sheep and Palpatine would still have Jedi to contend with. I think destruction of Jedi order was always a part of Prophesy about bringing balance to the Force.
     
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