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SPECULATION How Dark Will They (be allowed to) Go?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Fallon Tagge, Oct 14, 2014.

  1. Fallon Tagge

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    On one hand - everyone hears the name "Disney" and starts to freak out that Star Wars will be made even more kid-friendly going forward.

    On the other hand - looking at what's been done with the Marvel properties - they have gone for a fairly grown up vibe in these stories and I would say that on the whole the fans have been pretty happy with them.

    (And as for Disney's Dark Side - let's not forget Bambi's mom, Carl's wife, the Frozen princesses' parents, and about every other parent figure in Disney films throughout the ages!) ;-)

    Anywho, there's also the history of Star Wars. The Return of the Jedi that might have been as described by Gary Kurtz and Lawrence Kasdan, etc. There was at one point going to be a much, much darker vibe. Han Solo dying. Luke ending up alone - in one version George Lucas thought it would be neat if after defeating the Emperor and watching his father die, Luke were to put on Vader's helmet and become the new Dark Lord.

    JJ Abrams had to be convinced - hard - to take on Star Wars. I'm sure one part of that was gaining control of the story and being able to scrap the Arndt script.

    Lawrence Kasdan may well have been waiting three decades for this opportunity. This could be the chance to take these characters to some really interesting places.

    The argument against going too too dark is going to be - of course - the licensing side and the toys. But Disney is hedging its bets here a bit with Rebels aren't they?

    I'm not here saying that Ep 7 is going to be R rated - but I do think we are in for a PG-13 (as was Revenge of the Sith). What do you think? Are we going to see some things in Star Wars 7 - visually and thematically - that we would have never dreamed of seeing in a Star Wars movie prior?
     
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    Someone posted it was rated PG-13 already. I don't remember where I read it on here though.
     
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    My guess is: GotG-level dark.
     
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    Nevermind, this was debunked by Viral.
     
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    Yes, I don't think they actually rate films until they are viewed and rated by the MPAA
     
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    Well not everything I say is the truth, only the truth and nothing but the truth. (tusken)
    In this case it is but I might be wrong about other stuff in general. :)
     
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    The real measure here is going to be Rebels.

    The Clone Wars was allowed to get pretty dark during its time. They balanced it out with the goofy stuff aimed at kids, and often the dark aspects were a bit too on the nose. But, undoubtedly dark things happened on that show. Much more grim than anything the OT had to offer honestly. The question is will Disney continue that into Rebels. If they do, it bodes well for Ep7.

    On that same note though, I wouldn’t expect too much darkness out of Ep7. JJ has said in interviews that he really wants to recapture A New Hope and the excitement and adventure that came with it. There are rumors of the dark ending obviously, but outside of that I wouldn’t be surprised to see more of the Ep4 vibe. Ep 8 on the other hand….Well I don’t see why you go get Rian Johnson and not go for bleak intensity as it’s his specialty. So, I would guess we are in for some new levels of darkness as the trilogy moves on.
     
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    That was me. Haha

    As far as how dark the movies will go, Pirates of the Caribbean was pretty dark. Remember George was very careful about letting go of Star Wars, think partly because, he feared they wouldn't follow what he laid out. Eventuality Disney agreed, so I wouldn't worry too much. Think they'll go fairly dark.
     
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    Dark is good - like the Marvel universe I think Star Wars has the opportunity to push the boundaries of it's genre in regards to themes.

    If Rebels is kid-friendly and Ep7 is PG-13 I would absolutely Maclunkey love to see a R+ rated HBO tv show for Star Wars. How sweet would that be?
     
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    What would you put in Star Wars that isn't there already to push it to a MA rating for a HBO show ?
     
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    Sex (more than Leia Slave Girl), Violence (more than Walrusman's arm), Drugs (more than deathstix), and Rock and Roll (more than Max Rebo) ;-)

    Just darker themes, a little more graphic, a little more adult.
     
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    I'm up for change but i think thats taking it too far. You can do a'lot with TV-14/PG-13 these days, i don't want Star Wars given the "Game Of Thrones treatment".
     
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    Lets remember this is DISNEY its going to be aimed at a mass market family friendly popularist audience, maybe the odd head being lopped off like in the PT. Having said that I have always longed for a dark and gritty Star Wars story line. More complex and suprising aimed at an adult market. Think the remake of Battlestar Galactica. More middle aged SW fans than kids Im betting. What do you think?
     
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    Well I think there are two ways of looking at this. I can safely presume that almost all of the new movies will abide these standards:

    1- They definitely won't go darker than ROTS or TESB
    2- The definitely won't go darker than Pirates or Lone Ranger. And, yes, both of those are Disney movies that had some pretty dark elements.

    Pirates had a rum drunk pirate who had casual acquaintances with several different port sweeties as well as a plethora of adult themes and, oh yeah, topless mermaids (although we didn't see anything.) And the Lone Ranger had a house of prostitution, a brother lusting after his sister in law and a cannibal bad guy. So I doubt we'll see anything that gets darker or more graphic than these standards, BUT I think they will push it to some extent.
     
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    Age of Ultron is going to be pretty dark so probably along the lines of it.
     
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    Episode 7, despite what we've seen leaked so far, doesn't seem like it's going to be a particularly dark movie. Abrams has been pretty clear about his intention to make a movie that harkens back to the fun, adventurous spirit of the original 1977 film, and I tend to believe him on that point.

    That said, even the original film had some pretty rough moments in there. Five minutes into the movie we saw the villain audibly snapping the neck of a prisoner he was torturing for information, a bit later in the picture the hero sees his family laying incinerated in front of him, etc.

    I don't think we're getting squeaky-clean G-rated Mickey Mouse Club pablum, of course. But for this first ST film, I think we'll get an old-school Star Wars adventure, with the seeds sown for something darker and more substantial in Episode 8.
     
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    Not entirely sure how dark they will go with this specific movie. Anyone who is comparing it to ANH is probably hitting it pretty close.

    Regarding how dark you can go at PG-13, you can go very dark. R ratings are really more interested in nudity and foul language, thematically you can get as dark as you want in PG-13. Its tough to find a movie bleaker than The Dark Knight. Terrifying Joker, Terrifying Two-Face, making people kill each other with pool cues just for fun. Dark.
     
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    i would definitely love to see someone strong with the Force utterly destroy someone. think Force Unleashed with levitating some poor Peedunky (Peedunky? c'mon mods, who the hell says that? lol), then rip his arms off and blow up his head like a meat-filled melon: POP! i want to see that brutal, animal, dangerous side of the Force.

    seeing a Wookie tear someone's arms off while they're mad could also be a pretty epic...
     
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    I've said it before but Disney knew what they were buying, and what they bought has a surprisingly dark and gruesome history that somehow manages to avoid being portrayed as such. Let us recap what Disney bought:

    A 6 film franchise that includes:

    -The dismemberment of heads, hands, arms and torsos.

    -the incineration of bodies.

    -mass genocide of a pseudo-religious order.

    -death during childbirth

    -the mass slaughter of people, including Sand People and young children.

    -multiple examples of torture.

    -multiple strangulation

    -the destruction of entire planets

    -mild incest

    -people being eaten alive by monsters, pits, and Teddy bears

    -the death of mothers (A Disney Favorite BTW)

    -and of course, the classic image of a man having his limbs chopped off before being burned alive near a river of lava


    So, with that in mind, I think VII will have just a slightly darker tone than ANH, and that by IX it will have a level of darkness on par with III, but likely with an uplifting ending closer to ROTJ.
     
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    I always thought Battlestar Galattica (2004 :)) found a balance, that would have suited starwars on tv or film.

    I will keep on dreaming for now.
     
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