SPECULATION How Might the Movie End?

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Snoke prefers the map to be destroyed rather than to let it stay with the Resistance. Kylo wants to obtain the map and doesn't want it to be destroyed at all cost. That is a major difference. Snoke doesn't want Luke to be found. He's afraid of a possbility of new Jedi being raised. Kylo wants to find Luke. Otherwise why would he desire the map so desperately?

 

If Kylo wants it and Snoke wants it destroyed why would he leave it up to Hux who will just do what Snoke wants? And why aren't they just nuking the planet?

Kylo AND Snoke want the map because they both want to find Luke.

 

Who the heck is we? And when did this we speak for me?

 

Well I would just say that if you watch the original trilogy, Darth Vader ends up having some important motivations and character traits by the last film that are completely unreadable based on his character in the first one. So the more I think about this, the more I think Kylo Ren will have less of a linear projection off his arc in the first movie than we may think at first!

 

It will end with a defeat of the Resistance probably or some huge betrayal.

 

And what Darth Vader did in the ot has less then nothing to do with Kylos motivation in tfa

 

Don’t pay any attention to him. He is just the joker of this website. It’s a good way to avoid conflict.

 

It will end with a note of temporary defeat for the resistance, but also a reminder that the story will continue.

 

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edit: I just totally made a post about how I thought Rebels S4 would end. I need coffee.

 

*roll credits*

 

Phasma lied to Hux about Finn. She told him that he reported for reconditioning, and nothing was out of the ordinary, but from the novel we know Finn never reported to Phasma. This is why I believe the FO is going to be the talk of TLJ. There seems to be a fight for power from within, so we might see some backstabbing going on.

 

Now that we know Snoke has mental telepathy as one of his powers, it is safe to say that it was he in Rey's head telling her to kill Kylo. As I said earlier. The FO might be the talk of TLJ when it's all said and done. Snoke sees Kylo as a means to an end, and perhaps Kylo sees Snoke the same way. When your grandfather was the baddest mofo in the galaxy, there might be a good probability Kylo believes he should be that too. This is his destiny. You got or had Vader worshippers. People had to be telling Kylo he should be the man. Unlike the Empire which was one unit in mind and action, it doesn't seem like that's the case with the FO.

 

So if Snoke is the Supreme Leader of the FO and he wants Luke Gone, then why is Hux the one giving the speech on SKB and not Snoke? I believe that both Snoke and Kylo want Luke dead. I think the Knights of Ren will have something to do within TLJ, possibly they trigger a fight with Rey and Luke, or maybe they help Kylo get to Luke and Rey. Rey (in some pics) has a mean look about her, maybe she walks a thin line with the darkside. Remember that in ROTJ Luke was wearing black clothes and he even used the force choke on the guards at Jabba's palace.

What has me wondering is why does Snoke want Luke dead, if Luke is thinking that the Jedi must end and why is Snoke so afraid of Luke? Does Kylo/Ben need to be redeemed at all?

I think that most of TLJ has our heroes at different ends of the galaxy doing different things and that by the end of the film they are brought together for one common reason.

I believe that since the cast has been quoted saying that this story is like nothing they expected or thought how their character sees things until Rian explained it to them; that we will be in for a treat of a different story and a possible victory ending for the the FO.

I'm hoping for more on Phasma and the Knights of Ren, a visit by a force ghost, and Luke showing off his new Jedi Skills.

 

Luke slices Kylo's arm off. Kylo laughs maniacally and throws his limb at Luke. He then slices Rey's arm off. She turns and slices Snokes hand off. Snoke slices hux's arm off. Hux in turn, slices Leia's arm off. Leia force throws a lightsaber and slices Phasma's arm off. Phasma throws a charge and it lands on Lukes arm and it blows his arm off. Oprah-like alien climbs out from behind a steal futuristic beam, "you lose an arm! AND YOU lose an arm! And you lose an arm!" And so on...

 

The second film ends with a victory for the First Order? That sounds familiar.

 

At the Porg Celebration festival

 

Please yes!!

Male of Skywalker decent is found to be strong with the force, said male then trains to be a Jedi, during training, said male is corrupted by a plotting dark force user, once corrupted he sacks a Jedi temple killing other trainees, then this newly fallen Jedi dons a black cape and mask.

This is what we have so far on Kylo. This mirrors Anakins fall almost step by step. If Kylo is ultimately redeemed then the underlying driving force behind the ST will be a rehash of the OT. If the cast is right that this a completely different story I don't think we see that happen.

I personally don't want to see him redeemed (OT rehash, killing Han/his father is unforgivable, and frankly Adam Driver doesn't make sense as a good guy to me (great as a brooding, intense, unpredictable bad guys, but not a good guy)).

I'm sure they can redeem him and still make fun interesting movies, it's just my preference to see them go in a different direction. I'm clinging to the casts statements that that will be the case.

 

See, I really don't think it's fair to act like the second film can't in any way resemble ESB.

At some point, we're gonna start to reach
"The second film was released in theaters? That sounds familiar"
"The second film has a Jedi and stormtroopers in it? That sounds familiar"
and of course, my all time favorite,
"They're selling merchandise for this second film? That sounds familiar"

I think that if fans really feel the need to pretend to be critics, they should at least realize that it doesn't need to compromise their enjoyment of the film.

 

Never thought but like the idea of Phasma playing a game behind the scenes!

She's supposed to be a bad ass but all we see from her is her not knowing what her troops are doing and lowering the shields with no resistance. She's come across as a tad inept, I'd like to see a cunning reason for it and her to not just be a patsy to help move the story along (someone had to get suckered into lowering the shields right?$.

 

I heard a few things from her book, and from what I understand Phasma is an opportunist, and a stone cold killer. She killed her parents if I'm correct, and is loyal to no one. I think she also had Hux's father killed, and I don't think she has much respect for his son, because she comes from a place where only the strong survive. She doesn't have sympathy for weaklings, but you're right. Somebody had to get suckered into doing it. We just don't know as of yet why she so easily did it.