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JJ failing the easy tasks

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by KyloDan, Dec 23, 2015.

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    I think the hardest challenges related to the film were: creating new lovable heroes and villains, managing OT characters and recreating "that Star Wars feeling" and JJ and crew did a great job with all these aspects. On the other hand the easiest thing was writing an original plot and JJ had some problems with this. I mean: you have created Lost and you can't find a different threat other then a 3rd Death Star?? I loved the film, I rated it 9/10 but it felt like they could have made it perfect with very little effort, more so if you think they successfully completed all the hard tasks.
     
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    You assume he couldn't. I think the rehashed plot was a purposeful act designed to bring a sense of familiarity while introducing new characters to take over the saga.
     
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    I believe he (JJ) has said this time and again. Going backward to go forward. The core goal was to prove that Star Wars could be Star Wars again. Mission accomplished. Now to build on and elaborate an original story. Though, I do feel there will still be times of reminiscence even in the continued episodes to come.
     
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    I assume he could. Actually, as I said in other discussions, I think TFA is the perfect bridge between the old and the new trilogy, but it isn't the perfect Star Wars movie and this is what I'm talking about: I think they could have made it perfect just by using a different main threat. The Starkiller base was that "a bit too much remake" element which I think it wasn't needed considering all the other tributes that are in the movie.
     
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    I didn't say it was necessarily a good choice. Whether you think it was a good choice or not likely informs your overall thoughts on the film. But I do think it was a purposeful one. Fans like us will likely feel the most disappointment as we wanted to see a new story in the Star Wars universe. But the main goal of the movie was recapturing the audiences that have been lost over the last 30 years.

    The movie acts as a bit of an overture for the new saga. A Welcome back, greatest hits, for all those lapsed Star Wars fans. A familiar backdrop to introduce new characters, because general audiences have trouble (especially in today's environment of perpetual reboots, remakes, and sequels) immediately taking to something entirely new. Now that Rey, Finn, Poe, and Kylo Ren are part of the pop culture fabric, Rian Johnson will be freed from that leash of familiarity and give us a new story with those now familiar characters.

    Would I have loved a new plot with these great new characters? Absolutely. But I get why they did it and I am willing to overlook it because in the long run the specifics of the plot to me is the least important part of the movie.
     
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    I'll just add that the whole movie opens with "This will begin to make things right"... talk about on the nose...
     
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    "JJ was the key to all of this." ;)
     
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    Personally, I think there were more glaring flaws in TFA rather than Starkiller base. It was kinda new in that the idea; It was a planet size weapon, capable of sucking energy from a star.
     
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    Is the snowy planet Starkiller Base was on actually named? What system? Could it move around the galaxy like Death Stars could or was it stuck in a permanant orbit around its parent star? So many questions.... ;)
     
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    It gawn now! So who cares... woot! lol
     
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    This adds fuel to my "critique": you have a good idea about a star-fueled weapon and you make it look and feel like a death star, come on JJ you just had to give it a different shape!
     
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    Couldn't have said it better myself!
     
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    See, Death Star 2 and Starkiller Base don't bother me because they weren' the MAIN plot of the movie. In the Original Star Wars, blowing up the death star was the main plot and that was the payoff at the end. ROTJ payoff was the Throne Room Scenes and Vader throwing The Emperor down the shaft as Death Star 2 was a subplot. TFA's main plot was all about finding Luke and establishing the Rey vs Kylo Ren dynamic for the rest of the trilogy, as the payoff was the ending when Rey meets Luke. If TFA's payoff was the destruction of Starkiller Base like then I would be right there with the fans saying it was unoriginal.
     
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    Again, I agree with you all, I can also say the Starkiller beams flying accross the sky scene is in my top 3 scenes of the movie; still very easy and small changes chould have been done to eliminate the "remake feeling", given we already had other "remake" moments to fulfill the nostalgia/link role.
     
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    A BOX!!1!
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    Which previous Star Wars movie was the one where heroes uncover clues and race against villains to locate a missing Jedi Knight?

    I don't remember which one it was.

    Please let me know what episode it was that TFA is an exact remake of.
     
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    "This is much more related to "A New Hope" and "Empire.""- Lawrence Kasdan.

    That was the designed point, and they excellently succeeded.
    Some folks hated that; some folks loved it.
     
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    agree...... this was the kick off to an entire new generations

    "This will begin to make things right" First lines of the film
     
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    Personally, I think people are overblowing this whole "unoriginal" complaint about TFA.(epic fail)
    The first thing everybody needs to remember is that Mickey Mouse spent 4 BILLION DOLLARS to effectively pay a ransom to George Lucas to save our beloved franchise. So let's not forget that we're not the only ones with an interest here at the table: the magic kingdom needs a little return on investment. And TFA just returned 25% of that investment.:D
    And you want to know how they did it? By avoiding original ideas in the core plot like "Trade Negotiations":eek: and sticking with what works: 1977(chewie)


    Still, there's an old saying: "You can't see the forest for the trees." And I think this is true of TFA. You can get so caught up in this whole death star #%@& that you lose sight of the bigger picture. There's a reason Han's reacting to it like it's just another Death Star: it's the work of a clever director/screenwriter duo telling you that blowing up Starkiller is NOT the goal of this movie. This is:
    Hey, don't look at me, mods.. I'm a Celtics fan.:D

    And to finish up I'll just drop this here:
    Relevant@8:37
     
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