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SPECULATION Missing the obvious

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by remiel6, Nov 10, 2014.

  1. remiel6

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    I am guilty of this, I'm sure I am not the only one. In our attempts at discovering who or what exactly is up with the Sith and Luke we may sometimes miss the obvious.

    Star Wars is not a film series famous for a ton of subterfuge. The plots were simple and fairly straight forward. The lone exception being the big reveal in The Empire Strikes Back that Vader was Luke's father.

    Of course there is the whole Palpatine is a Sith Lord, but to anyone who had seen the films before, that was not a secret at all, so I don't count that.

    There is a good guy, there is a bad guy, and there are fairly stock characters filling in the gaps.

    I say this because the "villain" in some respect has to be whoever is still leading the empire in what is now a 30 year war. From what we know this will either be a general like we see in some of the EU books, or a secret Sith we do not know about. I vote for the first, at least in episode seven. I think that there is an evil force user who might take over the empire at some point in the trilogy, henceforth the title "The Force Awakens"

    To me this refers to a period of time where there are not a lot of force sensitive's born, most of them were killed by Palpatine and Vader.

    The war, especially without Luke, is largely a space war. The sudden presence of an evil force user, could spur luke out of hiding.

    In my opinion Boyega, and Ridley, discover not just Luke's lightsaber but the presence of a trained evil force user. This would force them to find someone who can find Luke.

    The protagonists of the story are Ridley and Boyega. Han plays a role similar to the role he played in the OT.

    I think when they find Luke, what they get is not what they expected. There is a confrontation and Han is able to talk Luke off the ledge so to speak. Luke comes back, saves the day, but something has changed and that leads us to the plot of VIII and IX.

    The villain has to be whoever runs the empire at this point in time and the force awakening has to be the sudden emergence of force sensitive people.

    Perhaps Luke never set up a Jedi Training academy because he couldn't find people to train?
     
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    its an interesting simplification :)

    you could be right.. perhaps the opening crawl will tell us that since the "re-balancing" of the force that there has been no force....No force sensitives and no force powers for Luke either. this would mean that Leia never became a jedi, Luke could get married and have children without complication.. would explain a lot for me. unsure as to the hows and whys of him being in some form of exile as per the rumours.. but they are still rumours currently.
     
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    Not to diminish what you put forward... but I think 80% of the posters here understand the simple/obvious approach,
    we just have a lot more fun speculating the myriad of other, more out-there possibilities.
     
    #3 Willybobo, Nov 10, 2014
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    There is no doubt the remaining 20% is a lot more fun, because we know its there somewhere, but we just dont' know how or why.
     
    #4 remiel6, Nov 10, 2014
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    Perhaps, with the Jedi purge, there have been no more force users born... but now, there are, and the rush is on from all sides to get to them
     
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    I disagree that there hasn't been any force users born. I think it's possible there hasn't been many (if any) trained properly due to Luke's exile.
    Would be great to see a bunch of untrained 'dark' Jedi trying to take down a half -mad all powerful Luke. Haha.

    " are you trying to defeat me..?"
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    "do or do not... there is no try"
     
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    A: In the OT era, the Jedi Knights & the Jedi Order were considered to be relics & a "hokey religion". I highly doubt 30 years later 1000s of beings(people) all across the known galaxy will be Jedi or study the Jedi ways.
    Order 66 massacred all of the Jedi(that we may know of) so it's not like anyone would even be aware of them by the ST time period.
    B: I don't think the "secret" Jedi BS is true. Luke MAY, MAY be training new Jedi or be developing a Padewan but it seems more realistic that he'll be considered a "crazy old fool"(like Ben's facade). The young cast will ohh & aww just like the younger viewers, they'll be drawn to the Force and help Luke(or be with Luke as allies).
    C: I can't stress enough that the movie doesn't need or must have a definitive time line. They may be happy & carefree, then a new villian surfaces or a attack occurs & then JJ/Lucas/Kasdan jump 15-25 years to when the leads are young adults.
     
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    hadn't thought of that.. it's a good point.

    we heard that when JJ and Kasdan took over the writing that there was going to be more story given to the original big 3... after ep7 and we've gotten our fill of nostalgia they could very possibly jump forward a bit to start a proper clean slate with our new young trio. i think 15-25 might be a tad big though lol.
     
    #8 Maximus, Nov 11, 2014
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