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More Crack Theories: Leia's Twins

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by FN-3263827, Mar 9, 2016.

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Does Kylo Ren have a twin?

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  3. No: and Stop Smoking that Stuff

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  1. PrincessLeiaCB3

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    Loved always the exchanges between Han and Goldenrod lol.
     
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    Game of Thrones crossover episode
     
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    *Game of Thrones Intro Themes starts playing in the background*

    I can imagine the audiences back in 1983 saying "But wait a second, Leia cannot be his sister? I mean they kissed?? Obi-Wan must be lying!" lol.
     
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    tumblr_ncd8o3YfDH1tp42tfo1_500.jpg
     
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    so....twins!

    but not Luke and Leia!

    or should i just rename this the incest thread? hahaha
     
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    Sorry I'm late.

    The way I pictured it in my head was Rey getting glimpses of her memory back during a fight with Kylo. She sees a dark haired boy smiling at her, her young self holding his hand, sitting on his lap in the Falcon, etc. She stops, horrified. And then "... Benny?". I'm no screenwriter, but this is basically the gist of it.

    As for the potential dramatic conflict... damn, where do I start? Rey finding out that her father - who she bonded with so quickly - slipped through her fingers all because of her own brother. Her desire to annihilate him with her bare hands conflicting with the fact that he's her family, which is basically what she wanted her entire life. Rey absolutely furious with Leia for accepting she was dead and basically "giving up" on her. The potential mother and daughter bond (the former having lost everyone she loved and the latter never having had anyone to love), absolutely unprecedented on a sci-fi blockbuster. Kylo finding out his little sister is alive afterall and the entire reason he went dark, the entire reason he killed his own father, was a lie.

    I'm gonna stop now, because I'm making myself sad.
     
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    yes, too much tragedy! hahaha

    i guess i can see a mother-daughter conflict coming out of this, but it feels a little petty to me (which, i guess might really make Rey and Ben siblings, if that's what they want ~ ha!). i'd hate to see them make Rey undone by this kind of thing, though. it doesn't really give her a conflict within the greater story; it's just her being angry at her mother and grieving the father she barely got to know. and again, we've kinda already got that with Ben.

    and i still don't see Ben grieving a sister he can't recognize through the Force, let alone turning Dark because of it (and years later, no less?). that's kinda Anakin-level rationale for me personally.

    yeah, it still doesn't work for me. it would need a compelling reason for Rey to have lost her memories, for her to be on Jakku, for Ren not to recognize her, and, ultimately, for me anyway, wouldn't create a meaningful conflict with larger impact on the story (just on Rey personally). i don't see Rey being tempted by the Dark because of this information (for what purpose? to join her patricidal brother?). that really kinda leaves her nowhere. maybe that would be an interesting conflict for some. i feel like in order for her conflict to be purposeful to the story (and Star Warsy, no less), she's gotta go through the temptation arc.

    like i said, maybe it could work. i'm not feeling it though.
     
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    I'm not trying to make you feel it though lol
    You asked a question and I answered it

    But for what it's worth, it's very likely that something happened to Rey's memories. In the canon books Rey's Story and Rey's Survival Guide, she seems to have no recollection of how she got to Jakku or why she's there. It could be a mind wipe, repressed memories, etc. In fact, when Kylo is trying to read her mind, he becomes interested in a particular memory that is unrelated to BB8 and the map, but he is abruptly denied access, as if he hit an invisible wall.

    We don't know if there's such a thing as "recognizing people through the Force". Luke and Leia didn't recognize each other. Vader didn't recognize Leia. Anakin had no idea Padme was pregnant with twins, nor did he realise she had died.

    Why do you think Rey might be tempted by the dark then? That's a whole lot of negative emotions I described. Any normal person would crack.
     
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    i guess i don't see this happen. he sees her dream of Ach-To, then he sees Han (which annoys him), and then she says "get out of my head", which he does, temporarily because he's annoyed anyway. but that strikes me as being about Han as a "Father she never had" not something else more mysterious.

    true true ~ it's just the fact that they've rooted around in one another's heads, so they've already been more proximate/intimate in a fashion as opposed to Vader/Leia/Luke, for example. i guess so many people keep saying that Leia recognizes her or whatever, so there's this idea that FS people know each other.

    i'm a big fan of the binaries between Rey and Ren, so if Ren is tortured and corrupted internally and that's what's caused him to do Dark, i guess i think Rey would be tempted by some external factor instead: rejecting Luke/Leia as the cause of her suffering (if they had something to do with the actual death of her family ~ something physical, not just emotional).

    i go back to the big deal they made in the book about Ren telling her that she doesn't know what she's fighting against, so he forgives her for attacking him. it didn't make it into the movie, but i think there's something thematically interesting in that potential (and again, binary): that she might be convinced that the Resistance is corrupt and that somehow the FO has it "right". and one of the ways to do that would be if her own origins are Imperial.
     
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    Gotta quote the whole thing as I'm on my mobile! But that last paragraph is a slam dunk for Rey being born of Empire parents in my mind. It's another story element that points to those origins. And it's the great conflict required to make Rey a relevant hero. It's the one thing that can both conflict her personal relationships but also, more importantly, her loyalty to the cause of the resistance.

    Very perceptive find @FN-3263827
     
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    i wonder if they filmed any of that. there's a picture floating around of Ren holding Rey in an FO space that's not the interrogation room, him in the mask and hood with his hand on her neck. if they filmed any of this discussion maybe it's on the extras. i mean, it's "canon" anyway, but that would ratify it in a way.

    the only thing that gives me pause is that they deliberately cut all of this, so there's always the chance that someone changed their minds. if it's so crucial as to be a point of her discovery, it seems like they would have left some small trace of it in the film. perhaps not necessarily.

    still, i think it's very interesting and i still contend that the FO needs more nuance or at least more justification. otherwise they really are just Empire 2.0. (that's probably too late anyway, given the Hosnian system).
     
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    Yes, that leaked photo (of Kylo holding his hand on Rey's neck which doesn't seem to be inside the Interrogation room or part of that sequence) is very intriguing and interesting, but since we already have the list of all the extras on the Blue Ray, it seems this snipped is not going to be shown, even if they filmed it...

    http://www.denofgeek.us/movies/star...ls-deleted-scenes-bonus-features-release-date
     
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    aww bummer. thanks for looking. i guess is should have checked it there was a full track list.
     
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    I love that video. Honestly....its hilarious. haha. Seen it before though a while back. :p
     
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    Personally, I'd believe Han and Leia having another child over Kylo being a twin; I've theorized there's a chance that Rey could even be their child that they assumed was killed. If you're going by what appears to be a mother's ring on Leia's finger, most of the "twin" jewelry has two stones/gems in the same circle of metal, but I guess things could be different in a GFFA...
     
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    At one time I sort of thought about this. Think...Man In the Iron Mask. But I'm gonna say...no Kylo doesn't have a twin but it would be a shocker if he did.
     
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    This is just my opinion but I like this theory better than the Skywalker one.
    What do you guys think?
     
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    I think we're both a little late to this thread hahahaha :) But I think the Kylo Ren twin theory (the theory I assume you're talking about; if it's not this one please correct me) is possible, but not plausible. If Kylo had a sibling, it was most likely Rey and we have confirmation that Leia and Rey never met until their first meeting after Starkiller Base. Leia and Ben never refer to a twin in the movie, the novelization, or in Bloodline, so I'd doubt they'd have another child out there they're just ignoring. They could have a daughter, and it wouldn't negate anything, but, as mentioned above, it would feel like favoritism and be pretty fishy ignoring one child in favor of another (even if said child has gone on a murder streak and joined an evil government). The best way for Kylo to have a twin would be to make said twin a character we have already met (like Leia being made Luke's twin). Either way, we'll have to wait for the later episodes to see!
     
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    Yah your probably right! *BB-8 thumbs up*
     
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    I'm glad no twin is involved because he would have probably killed him/her.
     
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