Only what you bring with you

Just some ideas...

Spoiler: has Luke fallen

I have said before, and will stand by the idea, that Luke may have found himself in a position where what is good for the new Jedi order, or the future of the galaxy for that matter, is at odds with the goals of the new alliance

Spoiler: Is luke a cyborg

Daisy, in her quest to find Luke, enters a force temple, somewhat akin to the darkside cave Luke entered on Dagobah. There, she encounters the fallen cyborg Luke, which is metaphorical for the danger faced on the path

The meaning of Luke cutting off Vader's head and seeing his own face has always been open to speculation. Was it simply saying that they were related? Or was it saying that by giving in to anger and striking Vader down, Luke would become Vader-like. Or was it saying that Vader used to be like Luke, and that anyone can fall...

The visions are just that, visions... and they can mean a great many things all together

 

Balance of the Force...

"The prophecy of the Chosen One was an ancient Jedi legend that foretold the coming of a being who would restore balance to the Force. The idea of balance of the Force, a central tenet of the Jedi Order, referred to the ideal state in which the Force existed in nature, namely as the light side. According to Jedi dogma, the presence of the dark side corrupted and destroyed this natural balance, and the Jedi viewed it as their duty to restore it."

I see this growing belief in the forums that "balance" somehow means that there is an equal weight on both light and dark sides, lending to "if Leia is good, Luke must be going bad" type thing. Naturally, if Luke falls, Leia is the ideal choice for his redemption, not because of a good/bad thing, but because he has strong ties to her, and love (even familial) can redeem.

The Jedi of the prequel trilogy were corrupt. Palpatine used this corruption to seduce Anakin. When Mace attempted to execute Palpatine instead of taking him into custody, that was the final straw... it was the right decision, but it was against the code... which would have been to take him into custody.

The corruption wasn't malicious, it was naive. The Jedi had gone from being the "guardians of the light side of the force" to "the guardians of the Republic" In this, the intent was to protect a democratic government that allowed for the Jedi order to exist. The problem is that it gave them two masters, and when the Republic began to fall through political corruption into being a body that no longer furthered Jedi ideals, they continued to support it, and wound up helping to build the clone army that would hunt them to extermination.

Luke could see this, and make the decision that in order for the Jedi to remain balanced, they must never make that mistake again. They must act always to further the order, and support the alliance only where the goals may be aligned. They may also, if it furthers the order, support other groups... and that could lead them to supporting remnant factions which are less extreme.

 

There has been "confirmation" that this scene occurred... and there has also been confirmation that Luke is not a cyborg... and there has been "confirmation" that there is more here than is known...

If the scene did occur, and Luke is not a cyborg, then there are two options I can see...

1) It is someone else, and they are claiming to be Luke

2) It is Luke but it isn't Luke... i.e. a vision

It all depends on how confirmed the confirmations are

 

If there had been a "this is pure speculation" tag, I would have used that instead

 

I don't think Luke will be evil at all... I do think his agenda will not be in alignment with the alliance, and "bad guy" is a matter of perspective

 

That is one interpretation of it... however, as noted, that is not the only perspective

 

The "worlds greatest hero"? Which world would that be? Would that be one of the thousands of worlds that were plunged into famine when the empire collapsed? Or perhaps one where the population was enslaved when the syndicate moved in to fill the void? Or one of the many that fell to the expansion of the smuggler's network...

Luke assassinated the head of state of the empire... hero only to the small band of rag-tag rebels he was with. I think you forget that there are large swaths of the galaxy that do not agree

 

My point was that (to quote Obi Wan) it's true... from a certain point of view...

There is much speculation that Luke will break bad... what needs to be kept in mind is bad for who? Bad how? The third trilogy was supposed to be more ideological, dealing more with what the true nature of good and evil are. I think we are going to find that it is not as clear cut as we thought...

As for the meaning of the cave... that is what is commonly taken as what happened... that does not mean that is what happened

 

Wise indeed... the only spoiler that I have read that I put total faith in is the one that says that we shouldn't believe all the spoilers...

 

I like it... I think more plausible would be that Luke is trying to defeat some threat, and the only way to defeat it would be to kill Han as well... thus the moral dilema.. do the ends justify the means?

 

But... in the same light as Luke cutting off Vader's head to see his own face... if this were Daisy's test, it could mean that what she is trying to stop, and what she is trying to save, may not be all that different...

And it could just be concept art, we don't know... we DO know that there was concept art of Chewie with a robot arm that did not make it into production... this could be a path that was explored and discarded

Or JJ could just be pulling another long con

Or Luke could be a cyborg... (although we have unconfirmed confirmation that this is not the case)