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SPECULATION Rex, Ashoka, and Vader

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Rebels' started by SuperBenKenobi1992, Oct 18, 2015.

  1. SuperBenKenobi1992

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    Okay so I want to talk about a speculation that got after watching S02E01 - The Lost Commander

    So I thing that Rex will be killed by Vader during the season finale. But I was thinking that something that would be really cool is if the last 2-5 episodes followed two stories. The Final showdown against Vader and Flashbacks. I think the flashback could be Order 66 from Rex's point of view. Showing how Rex made it and and how he was betrayed by Anakin. maybe he was one of troopers that Anakin took to the Jedi temple to kill the younglings. I don't exactly how the story would play out but It would show Rex's hurt and how he was betrayed by his commander. My thought is that Ashoka and Rex fight Vader. Vader is about to strike down Ashoka and Rex stands in the way. For a brief moment before he dies Rex and Vader share a look and Vader almost remembers whom he once was. Ashoka then strengthened and joined by Ezra and Vader continues battle with Vader. Vader captures Ezra and in season 3 Ashoka and Kanan have to find him. It is just something I was thinking about as a potential finale for Season 2. Anyone have any thoughts and/or suggestions.
     
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    There are many things that can happen regarding the fates of our heros so it's really not clear what will happen. I for one though would really love it if neither character died at the hands of Vader. I think both Ahsoka and Rex are awesome characters that grew on us in CW and this is just my opinion but I would find it really sucky to see these characters appear in Rebels just to bite the dust by Vader's hand. To a point I can understand if they want to get rid of Ahsoka by using the whole Luke was the last Jedi argument but seeing that after all those years, EU actually let us know that many Jedi had in fact survived and hidden themselves from the Empire makes me wish this were Ahsoka's fate as well. Ahsoka never graduated into a Jedi Knight so it would make sense that she wouldn't be refered to as a Jedi by the likes of Yoda when he spoke to Luke so she could indeed survive and this wouldn't alter the movie storyline at all. The Clones are also a group that I hope lives past Rebels. I hope they can help the rebelion until they are to old and have to retire. There acelerated aging will do this soon so I really hope they don't bite the dust, at least not all three of them.
     
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    It's also possible that when Yoda said the Last of the Jedi, he didn't mean that others couldn't be out there but he was the only one whom was actually knighted and what not. It's possible that Obi-Wan and Yoda were the only survivors as actual Jedi and anyone else that survived were people like Ashoka and Kanan who never finished there training. An like you said the EU you told us there were other Jedi. weather or not this new canon uses that same theme or not there are still future Jedi to consider. It's also possible that Yoda even though he could have known they were alive didn't consider them "Jedi" because they were living the live of an outlaw like Kanan. And only Yoda and Obi-Wan were the only ones working with the rebels or something.

    In terms of Rex and or Ashoka dying. I don't want either to die. But if they were to go I would want Vader to do it. And I would want this because of all the emotion that would flood the scene. How they would feel so betrayed. And the opportunity for story in that. as much as I love Rex, Unless Temura Morrison is planning on coming back for Rogue one as Rex, Gregor and Wolfe, I can't se them living past rebels. they're old worn out and don't really serve a purpose. conversely Ashoka could still play out in stories Post Jedi. I think it would be cool for Luke to learn from Anakin's force ghost that Kanan and Ashoka are out there and that he should find them and together they should build a new Jedi Order. I think Ezra will go missing by the end of Rebels and my resurface as a knight of Ren having turned to the darkside. He maybe even founded it. It would be cool if Dave Filoni actually did a post Jedi animated series following Luke, Leia and Han. An in following with his tradition of kicking of a season with a TV movie, the first movie could be the battle of Jakku. and in that Luke could meet Kanan. Kanan and Luke speak with Yoda Obi and Anakin whom tell them that Ashoka Tano is out there still and that she needs their help. They may even hint that Luke could learn more from her to really complete his training and that Kanan could aslo learn from her, as well as from each other. that is just my thought though. Probably won't happen but it could be a good bridge between 6 and 7.
     
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    You make good points my friend and I know as well that even though I don't want Ahsoka to die, if she were to die it would be very emotional if it were by Vader's hand. Another theory that I saw posted a while ago that I also agree that would be very emotional would be if Vader couldn't finish Ahoska off and Palpatine came and did it. Having Vader watch on as Palps killed Ahsoka with his Force Lightning would make that scene in ROTU even more emotional as we would be able to glimpse an even deeper conflict inside Vader. Having witnessed as Palps murder Ahsoka as he stood by and did nothing and then having to experience that very same moment all over again as Palps fried Luke would be another good reason why Vader finally came to and did what he did at the end of Jedi. And yeah I would totally dig an animated series featuring Luke, Han and Leia. There are 30 years between Jedi and The Force Awakens so there is ripe ground for many awesome tales.
     
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    Agreed, they could even have Vader kinda of have a vision of it. but since he hasn't even met Luke yet has no idea what it means.
     
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    Very nicely stated, i to share that opinion about if Ahoska and Vader face off, that Vader couldn't do it, heck Ahoska and Anakin were very good together in a sense of a father, daughter figure or two teenagers growing up together going through hard times. Just like in Clones, what the council did in turning their back on Ahoska, that also has to come into play here, when it comes to Vader/Anakin. Over the years, i have come to the conclusion that Anakin/Vader are a conflicted person, he felt he had NO choice in the path he ultimate decided to take. I say that because of what you stated above, i cant see Vader doing it just as in Jedi Vader couldnt stand their and watch as his son was almost killed by the Palps.

    As for the 30yr gap, i am not sure about that but what about a live action which has been stating could be coming to the small screen?
     
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    Though I have read it in a few places before, Wookieepedia also says that there's thirty years between ROTJ and TFA. Could you please explain to me your last comment about the live action? I didn't understand it so I really didn't know how to respond. Do you mean that maybe the live action series could possibly cover the 30 year gap?
     
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    "There are 30 years between Jedi and The Force Awakens so there is ripe ground for many awesome tales."

    I was stating about the Live Action possibility that has been rumored, that perhaps that area could be taken up by the 30yr gap or just move forward in a live action show.
     
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    That would indeed be very cool my friend because there are tons of awesome tales that can be told and many many sweet new characters that can be created! Let's see if we finally get tipical background characters like Ithorians, Quarrens or Nikto's to be main players in some of these tales!
     
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    Indeed, i wouldn't even mind something that we are seeing in regards to "American Horror Story"? Each season is a different area of sorts, kinda of like a twilight zone in a sense, so much lore and so much to explore in a live action. But time will only tell, lets hope that it is something that will push the franchise for the better, not that it wouldn't.
     
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    We're on the same wavelenth my friend regarding the American Horror Story cause I mentioned the very same thing on a thred called ''Would a TV Show have been better? Will there be more films?'' I think that would be awesome because they would be able to choose many different characters and many eras as well. While one season could focus on those who will become the classic heros like Rey, Finn and Poe, the next season could be completly about Bounty Hunters! They could also makes seasons fron the Old Republic era and even the Legacy era and that would be really neat! Even making a commando team composed of aliens like Quarrens, Rodians, Twi'Leks and Togrutas would be awesome as they could show us the other side of the battle of Endor. While Luke and company fought on the forest moon, our rogue commandos were sabotaging the Imperial fleet over Jakku!
     
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    So much potential, i hope they exploit it to extent as much as possible and within reason. I think we are in a golden age of TV, Movies and the alternative outlets that are available online in order to bring forth a better viewership.
     
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    This would mean Yoda's statements would be retconned. Make no mistake, when that line was written, Yoda was truly referring to all Jedi. Anything else would just be a loophole through Yoda's words to keep popular characters around. But Yoda was referring to all Jedi, not just knighted Jedi. Again, and I've stated this in another thread, these shows can work in themselves and as part of continuity, but they can't, can't, retcon statements from the original films just because people want these characters around. I personally think that's TOO Disney and takes away from the Star Wars mythos.
    Anakin rises, and falls. The Jedi in the entire galaxy are gone, no exception, and Luke, saves his father, as the sole living Jedi. Finding loopholes just to establish popular character longevity is just a force in my opinion. Rebels is a great show, but not when it modifies statements from the original trilogy. I'll stand by it, all the Jedi need to go be killed by Vader, and if not killed, defeated, emotionally, mentally, or physically
     
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    We know (because Rex says that in seas2-ep01 of Rebelz) that Rex removed his chip from his brain under Wolffe's requirement, and that happend "before the Clone Wars was ended".
    -> So basically, at the time Order 66 is delivered, Rex and Wolffe are already wide-open--minded ;)
    The second thing that is sure: Appo is part of the troop that accompanies Vader to the Jedi Temple. We see him in the film.
    -> But we do not see Rex : at this time, we don't know where he is. Perhaps he is also in the troop and he refuses to fire on Jedis. Perhaps he is not. We don't know.


    I think they won't, but... they surely will.
    They are not in Rebelz "just to be killed by Vader": Ahsoka is the mainframe behind the nascent Alliance, the "brain". We are just expecting the way the Rebellion will meet the Senator bunch we see in episode III under the name "loyalist senators", leaded by Padme, and including Bail Organa, Bel Ibliss and Mon Mothma. Because the Rebellion can only survive due to these Senators.
    In the other way, the Commanders are the "military" side of the Rebellion. Rrex already learns Ezra, I think in a larger way, that they will manage the strategic operations, while Senators lead the politic moves.
    But in fact, as Ahsoka and Clones miss in the OT, they must disappear before the end of the Rebelz saga. And who can make them dispaeear, if no Vader himself?


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    I maintain that Ezra and Sabine will finally fall in love, and give birth to a daughter...
     
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