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SPOILER Rogue One, or: what the fandom wants from Star Wars

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by andrea.conti.91, Dec 24, 2016.

  1. andrea.conti.91

    andrea.conti.91 Rebelscum

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    I'm a Star Wars fan since 1999, when I saw The Phantom Menace for the first time, and bought the VHS collection of the Original Trilogy (1997 Special Edition). I kinda liked every Saga movie, at its time, and yes: I literally worshipped The Force Awakens, even if it wasn't the perfect movie I hoped it was.

    Well, I can say that, after 17 years of pure, genuine, cinematographic love, I didn't like a Star Wars movie. Or, better: I actually did, because Rogue One is not a bad movie (but not as good as TFA) - it's a 6,5/10, or 7/10 movie, in my personal view: well directed, well acted, not really well written, but with a third act that was like a direct punch in my face. What I didn't like, is what this movie represents in the SW universe.

    The Force Awakens was a remake of A New Hope: a soft one, with very intriguing new things, but still a non-original movie, that tried to justify itself by kneeling to the old trilogy. Nevertheless, the new characters were awesome, and the story good enough to make me anxious to see the sequel. This is what Abrams did: use the old language of the original trilogy to tell a brand new story, with brand new characters that will probably become as iconic as the old ones (Rey and Kylo Ren are already memorable, to me). Gareth Edwards never tried to do that, and THIS is what I didn't like in Rogue One:

    - the screenplay is confused, expecially in the first two acts;
    - the characters are anonymous, and if it wasn't for the actors (each one is very very good) the level would have been just a little higher than the Prequel Trilogy;
    - the action literally eats every chance to make them more intriguing, and that's quite obvious in the second half of the movie.

    Anyway, these three flaws are not just writing or directing flaws. There's a reason behind them, and the reason is: the FAN SERVICE.

    Please, don't get me wrong: fan service is the same reason that pulled Abrams to not write an original screenplay, and make a light reboot of the original trilogy. But the fan service in Rogue One is different.

    While in TFA the references were structural, and used to face the OT legacy and create a new story for the other films to come, in Rogue One the references lead to nothing but to what has already been told. We already know the Death Star will be blown up; we already know the Rebels will catch the plans; we already know the main characters will eventually die. This, in general terms. But even if we look at the "new" characters or locations, we might note that there is something strange in the movie: Saw Gerrera comes from The Clone Wars; Vader, Mon Mothma, Tarkin and Leia from the OT; there are references to the prequel trilogy and to SW Rebels. The emotional climax of the ending doesn't concern some of the brand new characters, but Vader - and Vader is the main focus of another scene, that brought back Mustafar to the screen.

    Rogue One is a mosaic of various things that come from other SW media... and return to them. Because there is no development: no new stages to reach for the saga, just... a celebration. Jyn dies; Cassian dies; Krennic dies... They leave the SW universe in the same way they entered, and I think the writing flaws are due to this precise reason: why to make this characters memorable, if they have to die?

    We can resume TFA and Rogue One with two lines:
    - the past dies to make the future appear (TFA);
    - the future dies, to make the past be celebrated (RO).

    It's, in my opinion, a cinical way to look at the future of the SW saga. But what is more cinical, is the response of the fandom: everyone loved the final Darth Vader's rush (me too), and for many people this made the movie. The same fandom that blamed Abrams for having done an unoriginal movie last year, now magnifies Edwards for having done the "perfect SW movie" (which means, for a lot of people: a movie that leads nowhere but to the original trilogy).

    There is a discrepancy in this view of the reality. So, the question is: what the fandom wants from Star Wars, after all?

    Changed thread title from 'Speculation' to 'Spoiler' -jmjawors
     
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    I think we are getting the best of both worlds. With R1 we got a film that seamlessly connected to SW ep. IV ANH and the Original trilogy, and with TFA we got a soft reboot that moves us forward with the Skywalker story. What I want from SW are stories or films that continue to tell tales from both the prequel as well as the original trilogy; therefore I want more standalone films ( Old Republic era, Prequel, Original trilogy). Movies that fill the gaps between the two trilogies, and stories that will move further, sequel trilogy and beyond.

    The Han Solo standalone will continue to fill the gaps of the OT. A possible OB1film can fill the gaps in the sequel trilogy, and an Old Republic standalone can give us a film before the prequels. I gave R1 an 8.5 simply because it connected stories from the prequels, Clone Wars, Rebels, and the OT. I also believe with revelation of Darth Vader's castle that this will connect stories with the sequel trilogy in regards to Ben Solo/Kylo Ren and his obsession with his grandfather Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader. Yes, all the spies died and I expected as much from the story and to me all the character's in RO are memorable especially Chirrut Imwe. I was also pleased with Saw.
     
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    I like your post my friend as it is very honest on your views. While I myself didn't dig TFA so much but loved RO, I still think that it's cool to hear your reasons for disliking RO and don't think I have to bash you or give you negative quotes because you disliked the movie that most of us loved. That being said I must remind you that we are all in a new ball game now and we are going to have to deal with Disney's new way of seeing things. I grew up with the OT and equally fell in love with the PT but after seeing both new SW movies, one I loved and one not so much, I did have to accept that if I'm going to keep my love for SW going, I got to unlearn what I had learned and fully accept that maybe I won't ever get a movie like those made by Lucas.

    That we may get awesome movies? Yes I believe so as RO proved this to many fans but even with the way I loved it I really can't stop noticing how I miss Lucas's touch in the movie. On the fan service thing I really have to say that we are in for LOTS more of that in the coming years as I'm quite sure the young Han Solo movie will be filled with that.
     
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    You never know. Rian Johnson might surprise us with Episode VIII.
     
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    I really hope so my friend as that would really blow my mind! :)
     
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    The point of the movie is just to show case another side or SW. Knowing the out come already doesn't matter if you want to see R1 or not. To me I didn't really love it like an SW film. Can't make everyone happy and I hate the whole " you're not a true fan" saying. Could it been better? Yes, getting a SW film every year? Ehh, Disney should re think its process on this. R1 affected the OT and to me could of been plotted better. The point that Disney wants to do is branch out from the storyline. An adaptation of R1 wasn't that we didn't know just to better of knowledge on how. With a Han or Boba movie it should showcase their life in the galaxy. That it doesn't interfere in the SW storyline. Giving story arc to characters like Rebels, which is already invested into making it into SW storyline.
     
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    The fandom is not a singular, static force, so this is an unanswerable question.
     
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