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She's got a point

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by Pobody's Nerfect, Aug 29, 2021.

  1. Pobody's Nerfect

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    Read the Rising Storm if you love Jedi... we need more crazy space wizards we would be alright on the planet earth.
     
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    It's an interesting thought, but I think it grants more faith in the Force than the galaxy had.

    The audience's relationship with Jedi is weird for Star Wars. We see them featured in almost every movie, but they're actually kind of a rarity in the galaxy, so much so that some regions view them as more of a myth than a reality. Think how even Palpatine hid his force powers from the public- he didn't even pretend to be a light side force user for a reason, he specifically chose to hide his proficiency in the force entirely.

    I honestly don't think the average galactic citizen would put much stock in the force, and A New Hope is quick to point that out with Motti. That exchange reveals that even the Imperial inner circle has a much more secular view of the galaxy, relying on the Empire's technological superiority and military industrial machine rather than ancient prophecies and magical powers.

    Also, I don't think the portents of force visions are clear enough to really use as effective bargaining tools. If one believes in the force, they are also likely to be aware that these visions are "clouded", that the future is "always in motion".

    Also, we know in our own world that it's rare for a faction to believe that it's actively working against its deity. I don't want to get too deep into this (as it could be a somewhat sensitive topic) but from little league baseball to World Wars, people tend to believe that their entity supports them and they're destined to win. Which kinda becomes a bit of a logistical nightmare when all sides in a conflict believe this. Add in the fact that the portents can be clouded, and perhaps deliberately or optimistically misread, and... I think it's easy enough to see how all sides could see their own victory being destined.

    Finally... while people may not want to think they're fighting against destiny, it's not all that uncommon of a thing in Star Wars. Nor is it all that uncommon in the real world, either. The human mind is resilient, perhaps to a fault, in its ability to prefer passion over reason.


    Anyway, cue "Sir, this is a Wendy's" :p
     
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    When has relying on visions and prophecies ever worked out well for anyone in Star Wars?

    Wait . . . . . . is that the joke?:confused:
     
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    It makes perfect sense when Episodes 4,5 and 6 are your only SW canon....
     
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    Serious answer:

    The Emperor and Vader can only see part of the future at a time.

    The Emperor is a puppet/extension of the dark side of the force. The dark side embodies aggression, anger.
    The easy outcome would be to war.
    But it's not that simple- it's also (likely for the time) a Vietnam war commentary as well. The aim is for the Imperials to "end this destructive conflict and bring order to the galaxy", in Vader's words in TESB. The same sentiment is echoed in ROTJ with the Emperor and especially in ROTS. Lucas said in the DVD commentary for ROTS that the price for peace was too high if it meant all-out war.
     
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