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Spoiler - Hosnian System (Hosnian Prime et al)

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Mark Y Moon, Dec 17, 2015.

  1. Mark Y Moon

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    Hi all,

    Saw the film last night. Already noticed a bunch of comments going around saying 'was that Coruscant?' in reference to the entire system that was destroyed by Starkiller. The film was a bit fast paced, but I definitely picked up in the chatter on D'Qar when they're planning the Starkiller raid that it was the 'Hosnian System' that was destroyed.

    This system recently appeared in the canon on the star map given out in the press a couple of weeks back. Not much else to go on for Hosnian yet sorry: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hosnian_Prime

    Hux/Snoke/Kylo discuss destroying the Republics' 'precious' senate - so if this were the target, it may have been based on Hosnian Prime and not Chandrila as previously thought. Alternatively, the destruction of that system to 'destroy the senate' was more designed to tear it apart - as it is also discussed that it is an ineffective governmental body so perhaps a calamity would throw it right off.

    On a separate note, I wasn't really down with our characters being able to see the lazerbeam travelling across the galaxy from various viewpoints, or the Hosnian Planets exploding - unless Takondana is actually in the Hosnian System... In which case why was it not destroyed?

    Let's discuss the now-destroyed Hosnian System in the spirit of all that, and this:
    http://makingstarwars.net/2015/07/s...dor-to-the-battle-of-jakku-galactic-conflict/
    wherein Jason got some info on the background situation from 'someone' at SDCC - Hosnian Prime is the birthplace of the New Republic, but not the capital (most likely Coruscant or Chandrila).
    From TFA we know the Republic fleet was based there, which was a fantastic strategic move on their part. Menacing new threat, sure, why not put all our eggs in one basket hey? Hmm. Anyway - it looked like a city world.

    Thanks,
    Fire away commanders
     
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    Thank you!!
     
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    Should be some more info on Hosnian Prime in the visual dictionary too I hope.

    This is the only thing about the movie that's a little cringeworthy to me but I haven't seen it yet so maybe I'll change my mind.

    Wonder what the FO has up their sleeve for VIII and IX. Death Stars 4 and 5 maybe!
     
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    Thanks for the post. When I saw the movie this topic intrigued me deeply. I was not really fluent in the EU and I still need to catch up with the new canon. All I know is that the Senate was now in Chandrila and I didn't know about Hosnian System. So if I get it right the First Order destroyed that system and the New Republic fleet but not the Senate itself. I wonder if the New Republic will have a larger role in the future films.
     
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    The film seemed to imply that numerous planets within the Hosnian System were destroyed. Whether this included other named planets, other than Hosnian Prime, remains to be seen. I imagine our Resistance fighters are a little smarter than we are lead to believe in the film, but I'm not holding my breath. After all, destroying Starkiller Base was essentially luck with no planning on their part.
     
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    This was my only grip with TFA, the whole scene of the Starkiller Base blowing up the Hosnian system doesn't make any Maclunkey sense. Why should we care for the destruction of the New Republic if we didn't even know what that was? What's the relationship between the New Republic, the Resistance and the First Order?

    I know the prequels had an excessive amount of political minutiae, but keeping the viewers in the dark at TFA on what's the state of the galaxy made the things confusing and diminished the impact of destruction caused by the Starkiller Base.
     
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    Agreed. The emotional impact on the audience is essentially zero.
     
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    According to the Visual Dictionary, the Republic capital moves according to popular vote.
    Hosnian Prime was the current Republic capital AND a staging point for the main Republic fleet.
    The Resistance officer you see in the one brief shot, is Korr Sella, who Leia had sent to urge the Republic to provide support to the Resistance in their struggle with the First Order.

    Unfortunately, most of this isn't conveyed effectively to the audience in the movie. The only real clue is Hux's speech prior to firing.

    HUX: ... lies to the Galaxy, while secretly supporting the treachery of the loathsome Resistance. This fierce machine which you have built -- upon which we stand -- will bring an end to the senate -- to their cherished fleet. All remaining systems will bow to the First Order, and will remember this, as the last day of the Republic!

    (transcription I made from a cam recording)

    Essentially, the First Order delivered a massive blow to the Republic, and hardly anybody seeing the film would ever know.
     
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    Hux is OG like that .
     
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    I've seen the movie twice so far and still needed to come here to figure out what the hell happened with those planets.
     
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    Some of this info is from the Visual Dictionary etc.

    Hosnian Prime is the current capital of the NR.
    Hosnian Prime is an urbanized Core World that looks similar to Coruscant, but is in a different system (thanks to the new canon map).
    Chandrila was the capital 30 years before, but the NR capital now switches around based on a vote. This was done as one of many changes to appease worlds that supported the Confederacy and would likely try to separate once again after the Empire fell.

    The First Order Starkiller Base drains power from its star, sends it through hyperspace and can hit multiple targets at once. The beam causes some kind of space/time distortion in hyperspace, which makes the beam and explosions visible throughout the galaxy. Which is why people on Takodana can see it happen in real-time.
     
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    That was a very difficult sequence to show onscreen in the Star Wars style, I bet it worked fine on the page but filming it and editing it to make sense without going all Prequels on us was a bit of a quagmire I imagine.

    It stood out to me when I saw it as not pulled off particularly well.
     
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    The EU lived in this New Republic. I don't think the new films will live there. Star Wars was always at its best on an intimate level with galactic ramifications. Rather than looking at the galaxy and seeing the personal ramifications.
     
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