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Star Wars and the lack of a good fist fight.

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by Duke Groundrunner, Sep 27, 2014.

  1. Duke Groundrunner

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    In Star Wars we get dogfight fights, fleet battles, massive ground battles, shootouts, lightsaber duels & force battles, but we never really got a good fist fight or a all out brawl. I hope that episode 7 will change that. That being said, do you guys think there should be a fist fight or a brawl? It could be a good way to introduce a new character or characters if done well.
     
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    Well, there is at least a fist fight between Anakin and Clovis...



    but yeah, that's The Clone Wars so I'm assuming it doesn't count. ;)


    I guess you're right. I mean I think Han had a few moments, and I think some fights like the Obi-Wan/Jango fight briefly turned to fisticuffs, but nothing specially hand-to-hand really. Would be interesting to see... perhaps if some rumors about something like a stressful Republic/Empire coexistence and tenuous cooperation is true, maybe the two sides get angry during some sort of briefing and resort to an all-out fight?

    Would be most interesting to see it used in some way.
     
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    There’s a brutality to a fist fight that I’m not sure feels completely at home in the SW films. There’s something about SW battles that are very clean, bloodless, and graceful. Fist fights are jarring, and bloody, and often clumsy (outside of martial arts movies). In movies they are often used to focus on that brutality to show that violence is real and in no way pretty, which sort of goes against type for Star Wars.

    It’s not completely unheard of. As mentioned above, Obi-Wan/Jango ventures into fisticuffs a bit. Also, I’d add the end of Obi-Wan/Greivous to that list as well.

    All that being said, I’m not completely against the idea if used well and in a good context. If it happens, I would not want to see it from a Jedi again, and more likely smuggler or bounty hunter. Someone who (literally) can get their hands dirty and step into the ring to impose some serious hurt with no weapons. If used in that way, I’d be all for it.
     
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    Well, I have to disagree with you @ Max Rebo because while you're correct that fistfights do often illustrate the brutality of violence in alot of films there's always the more "light hearted" versions that you see in movies like Westerns with the big barroom brawls -- Maverick comes to mind -- where they're more about setting the difference between the good guys (white hats) vs the bad guys (black hats.) I think a Star Wars brawl would end up more along these lines.

    All that said, I wouldn't mind seeing it but it would be most likely seen in a Boba Fett or Han Solo spinoff if at all.
     
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    I agree, there are those as well. But those have mostly become self-referential jokes in today’s films. They are very rarely used outside of comedies. I feel like that wouldn’t fit either.

    I’m not completely opposed to the idea. I just don’t want to see it get overly goofy or overly flashy.
     
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    Yeah, agreed! Those are usually played for goofiness with the over-reactions to getting smashed over the head with bottles etc... It would be a difficult choreography for SW to be sure. Has to have the right balance of tone without getting extremely goofy or extremely violent.
     
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    Ha. Yeah I think the last thing we want is a fight breaking out in the Mos Eisley Cantina and Chewie get slid down the bar, knocking off glasses, with his head winding up in a spittoon at the end.

    But in general, it’s all about tone. Star Wars has a very specific, and very unique tone. Matching that is the hardest challenge JJ has in front of him. What is included, doesn’t really matter as long as it finds that tone. For example, I had a similar reaction pre-ep3 when I heard about an Opera scene. I thought there was no way that fits the feel of the SW universe. I couldn’t have been more wrong on that one. It fit perfectly , because they nailed the tone.
     
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    Yes, exactly. It's about tone.

    That is one thing I hope doesn't get lost with the spinoffs and all these new directors. I have the uneasy feeling they will be more locked-into their own style than trying to emulate tone. BUT for the spinoffs that may be a good thing.

    I think we can all agree that JJ has been fastidious in trying to set the right tone for the ST based on the pre-established tone George set.
     
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    Its actually one of the main reasons I was excited for JJ to start the new SW legacy. Say what you want to about the movie, but Super 8 proves that JJ can spot what makes a unique tone work and replicate it. Plot and climax issues aside, Super 8 felt like vintage Spielberg through and through. If he can do the same with Ep Vii before passing the story onto others he will have cleared the biggest hurdle for a Lucasless Star Wars universe.
     
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    There were very few opportunities during the first six movies for a fist fight, because everyone was always packing serious heat. The prequels have Jedi as the focus the whole time, who fight droids by cutting them down without a second thought. In a new hope, when the weird face guy attacks luke in the cantina (the perfect moment for a fist fight) he totally gets his arm chopped off (which is really some major escalation of force on Obi-Wan's part).

    Fist fights are generally for lower stakes, when even if you have a blaster or a lightsaber, you want to fight this person without killing them. There was really never a moment in the first six movies where the stakes were high enough to fight but not high enough to kill.
     
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    I believe if the Phantom Menace had started with a teenage Anakin a fist fight would have been great. Have Anakin take on some thugs maybe before or after the pod race. It would have been great way to build his character. Show him as cocky but brave, force-sensitive but untrained in jedi ways and hinting at a dark side with his brutality. Anakin growing up in the streets of Mos Eisley would had to be much more tough and hardened then the idealistic and sensitive farm boy Luke. A scene like this would help capture the contrast.
     
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    There was a deleted scene with kid Anakin in a fight with Greedo before the pod race scene.
     
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    Just watched the "scuffle". Another reminder why Lucas blow it with 8-year-old "Annie". I also hated the Greedo foreshadowing. Glad it wasn't in the film.
     
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    Yup. Exactly lol
     
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    A good fist fight would be cool, but it would have to be with people who don't have the Force or something. A cantina bar fight like a good Western, sure. But like others are saying, it has to fit the tone.
     
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    I'd like to see the guy with the cross blade adopt some dirty tactics and headbutts etc
    Nothing more imposing than a guy that rips down your defences and starts beating you
    It could fit
     
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    It definitely is a cool idea. If Kylo Ren is still a collector of Sith Relics, his mastery of the Force should be much less than others, and therefore he could get down and dirty for his fights.
     
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