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SPECULATION Star Wars: The Ancient Fear (Revisited)

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Porkin's Beans, Aug 8, 2017.

  1. Porkin's Beans

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    Anybody remember one the first sequel trilogy leaks about the possible title for Episode 7 - "The Ancient Fear"? Sometimes, a leak like this is very telling about the plot of a movie. However, it was quite cryptic at the time.

    But, now, since TLJ is nearly 4 months, we have come to a better knowledge and speculation about where this new trilogy is headed.

    So, do you think this first title leak - " The Ancient Fear" - holds any sway about the future of this trilogy?
     
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    there was like a whole month in 2014 where everyone was talking about that possible title for ep7.

    imo, absolutely that was or is the title for a Star Wars movie. apart from anything else.... it's a bloody cool name for a SW film and they should use it.
     
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    I believe that title had a lot to do with the trilogy as a whole. From what we know now about the trilogy, here is what I can speculate from the top of my head;

    1. Luke seems to be digging up all sort of things about the Jedi past, including the first Jedi temple, as confirmed by Han Solo in TFA.
    2. Rumors of Snoke having a pretty decent collection of Ancient artifacts.
    3. The Unknown Regions, discussed in the Aftermath, holds many secrets and history about the dark side if the force. This is the very same place where Palpatine believed he was hearing a "calling" of sorts. This is where the Super Star Destroyer Eclipse was hanging out, which will probably make an appearance in TLJ. In legends( or canon - heck I can't keep up anymore), the Rakata were known to dwell in these Regions. They were great dark side users that knew of its power so much that they used it for space travel and to enslave worlds.( I can't think of a greater fear than to be enslaved by another - sometimes death is the better mercy!) I have a suspicion that Snoke has somehow tapped into this Ancient knowledge.
     
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    I guess it's a logical step for the LF storygroup to go back to the past for multiple reasons:

    1. Stories in a distant future (centuries beyond the sequel trilogy) would either limit the artistic freedom of future projects or cause contradictions in canon.
    2. People have always cared about the origins of the jedi, the sith, etc. Filling blank spaces in the past with meaningful stories can improve other movies. I think that R1 improved ANH for example.
    3. There are already a lot of interesting EU stories set in the distant past but only very few in the distant future
    4. Making Snoke an ancient evil would support the idea that star wars is more about the galaxy far far away and less about individual events. It's a massive universe full of stories and heros and not just the biography of Darth Vader. I guess they are already trying to do this with the standalone movies

    So yeah, ancient evil seems logical from a storytelling point of view.
     
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    i had a weird thought..

    Yoda: "A prophecy that misread could have been"

    what if the prophecy that a 'chosen one' would bring balance to the force was actually not a prophecy.. but instead a warning.. a 'fear' of what could happen? aka.. an ancient fear?
     
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    Would be quite a twist if this ancient fear was actually the Force.
     
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    I remember it well :). I think it came from Harry Knowles here: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/67205
     
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    This spawned the Darth Plagueis theory.
     
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    I can't find any links, but I'm fairly sure there was a lot of speculation around the time that the end of Episode 7 would see the re-birth of the Sith. I always imagined that Bane, Plagueis or some other Sith Lord would be bought back to life 'Voldemort style' with sorcery and the eye of a dead Jedi, that kind of thing.
     
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    Funny you bring up old Sith Lords. Remember, Luke saying that its was time for the Jedi to end? Where did that idea come from? As I was reading about the ancient Rakata in the Unknown Regions, Darth Revan spent a great deal of time their as well. At one time, he wanted to destroy the Sith order and create a new dark side order under himself - the Order of Revan. He included the harnessing of dark side eneergies for his purposes within Rakata Prime.
    By the way doesn't the Order of Revan sound kind of familiar.....

    Knights of Ren.....Order of Revan

    Ren.....Revan!

    And wouldn't it seem funny that Luke would want to end the Jedi to create an order under himself? Could it be possible that someone could tap into the Light side of the Force for selfish/self-righteous purposes? Seems far-fetched, but in reality, there are many people, who do things in the name of God/good for selfish reasons.

    Hmmm! I wonder!
     
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    There was also the thread in the old EU about Jacen Solo (cough/cough, ahem...Ben) on a voyage of discovery in the unknown regions, and this was instrumental in his eventual turn to the darkside. He also picked up some new Force powers there such as timewalking. Seems like stopping a blaster bolt is a new Force power that Ben learned from somewhere that wasn't a part of Jedi lore/teachings.
     
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    It will be interesting to see how Ben/Kylo will turn out. He already has a fascination with his Grandfather, and with everything that Snoke is connected to, we can assume big changes for his character. We already know that Snoke wants him to complete his training. It would be interesting to see how it would be done, since we never saw dark side training on film before.
     
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    Ben seems to be a mix of Revan and Jacen, with his own uniqueness added.
     
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    Yes, especially Revan. When we got our first glimpse of Kylie REN, a year before TFA came out, how many people immediately dubbed him as Darth Revan? I did at first.
     
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    I had just gotten into the SWTOR game and was learning about Revan, so when I saw Kylo and Rey, I was wondering if it was just the costumes that were similar, or more than that. They say BioWare is not canon, but I can't help but see a lot of game similarities to the movies. I am curious to what the plan is for VIII since Rian is changing the game.
     
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    When that title came out, Harry obviously was guessing and got wrong info since "The Force Awakens" had the same letters, and it hadn't even been written yet. As they claim there was no kind of story arc from TFA to Episode 9.
     
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    It did but I never thought of 50-60 years as ancient.

    I think the Ancient Fear was a natural starting place. The novels following ROTJ involved Luke's academy on Yavin 4 with one of the students dealing with a darkside undead Exar Kun. After causing probs for a few students Exar tried to possess Luke.

    Even this story was revised in the EU with Exar Kun being a Jedi who discovered an undead darksider Freedon Nadd who taught him darksidyness. Exar destroyed the spirit thing who was trying to use him. And then started a was within the Jedi.

    Its safe to say that until ancient knowledge is benign or Snoke proved to be not some sort of monster from way back when the Ancient Fear idea will remain. Until the Sequel ST when it will come up.
     
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    Yep, it's most likely more the "Blue Harvest" kind of thing.

    "Oh no, my young Harry. You will find that it is you who are mistaken, about a great many things." (emperor)
     
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    Or maybe we can make it a bit harder to troll us.

    This title was made up and never in consideration, it is a fake and we still try to find out the meaning of a fake title in 2017...
     
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