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UPDATE! Dave Filoni Did Not Direct the Big Darth Vader Scene at the End of ‘Rogue One’

Discussion in 'SWNN News Feed' started by SWNN Probe, Mar 2, 2023.

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    Freddie Prinze Jr., the voice of Kanan Jarrus/Caleb Dume on Star Wars RebelsStar Wars: The Rise of Skywalker, and Star Wars: The Bad Batch, has indicated that Dave Filoni (who was behind both of the aforementioned animated shows, alongside Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Star Wars: The Mandalorian, and Star Wars: The Book of Boba Fett, and the upcoming Star Wars: Ahsoka) may have guest-directed the big Darth Vader action scene at the end of Rogue One: A Star Wars Story. However, others believe that while Filoni was involved, his role wasn't that substantial.



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    Lucasfilm Creative Executive Pablo Hidalgo has shared a message fully debunking the claim that Dave Filoni secretly directed the scene, verifying a report from Umberto Gonzales and other previous comments on the creative process on the scene:



    [embed]https://twitter.com/pabl0hidalgo/status/1632083185269092353[/embed]



    In addition, ILM visual effects artist Hal Hickel (who Hidalgo quoted above) has stated that Gareth Edwards was, in fact, present during the filming of the scene as the director, while sharing some other anecdotes confirming that this is the case:



    [embed]https://twitter.com/halhickel/status/1632078574906933249[/embed]



    So in all likelihood, Filoni could have helped storyboard the sequence that Edwards and his second unit director Simon Crane would go on to direct, and Prinze Jr. may have misheard a few things about the process of bringing that scene to life. The article, as it was originally presented, continues below.



    Rumors indicate that there were always plans for some kind of a Darth Vader action scene near the end of Rogue One, but it wasn't shot during principal photography, which was just as well considering that so much of the film's third act was reshot anyways. Had it factored into the story, then Vader presumably would've had a presence on Scarif - which would've presented continuity issues, given that a substantial amount of the planet's surface got glassed by a low-power Death Star laser, and obviously Vader would've had to make it out alive while nobody else did. But after most of the reshoots on Rogue One were completed, it was proposed that there was just enough time to add an action sequence to better bridge the end of the movie with the beginning of Star Wars: A New Hope, so Lucasfilm took their shot.



    Director Gareth Edwards handled principal photography on the film, and while he was not dismissed from the project when it was overhauled in reshoots by Tony Gilroy, his overall role on the project in post-production was reduced. Edwards cameos in the scene as the Rebel Alliance soldier who throws the switch to detach the Tantive IV before Darth Vader can board the ship, allowing it to fly off into hyperspace before the Devastator can capture the ship over the planet of Tatooine a short time later.



    [​IMG] Gareth Edwards in 'Rogue One'



    Due to his presence in one of the shots, some have believed that Edwards directed the scene. However, Freddie Prinze Jr. indicates that this was not the case. In an interview with the Lights, Camera, Barstool podcast, Prinze Jr. stated that Dave Filoni guest-directed the scene:



    Darth Vader's on-set actor was originally played by Spencer Wilding for scenes shot during principal photography, such as the meeting that he has with the film's villain Orson Krennic, but was portrayed by Daniel Naprous for the action sequence. It is known that Filoni was getting a crash-course in live-action directing at the time for future projects (thanks to Kathleen Kennedy arranging for him to watch directors J. J. Abrams, Gareth Edwards, and Rian Johnson at work on their respective films, getting tips from them in the process), but saying that he first cut his teeth on one of the most memorable scenes in Rogue One is quite the claim. Shortly after this quote went viral, The Wrap reporter Umberto Gonzalez claimed that Prinze Jr. was mistaken - while Filoni was involved with the creative side of planning the sequence, second unit director Simon Crane actually filmed the scene, most likely under the supervision of either Edwards or Gilroy. This is supported by the film's co-writer, Gary Whitta, who stated that Edwards was present when they were cutting together the footage after shooting it:



    [embed]https://twitter.com/garywhitta/status/1495908741539000322[/embed]



    You can see the original interview snippet, alongside Gonzalez's clarification, below:



    [embed]https://twitter.com/elmayimbe/status/1631006773896417280[/embed]



    Rogue One: A Star Wars Story is available on home media formats and is streaming on Disney Plus, which is also home to the first season of the prequel series Andor.



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    'I don't know if people know this, maybe I'm not allowed to say this, but I don't care anymore. [Dave Filoni] directed that scene in Rogue One where - basically, the whole end of the movie, where Vader comes through, and you see basically what's gonna happen in A New Hope. He directed all that. He also recast Darth Vader - they cast another actor, and they asked Dave to watch the movie, to see what he thinks. And I remember him going 'Well, you got some of the buttons wrong, some of the lighting wrong. Why'd you hire an Italian?' And they go 'What do you mean? How'd you know we hired an Italian?' And he'd go 'Well, Darth Vader doesn't talk with his hands, but this one clearly does.''

    HAHA, George Lucas' Padawan slipped in a Dark Lord of the Sith in a Jedi free film... well done Dave. You should run LFL. Dave shoot the next trilogy PLEASE
     
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    "So like there's this real obscure background character, and George and I had discussed this many times, but we never agreed on the best way to use him. My feeling was he was super important. Might even be the key to everything. George wasn't so sure. Thought he should be like the prototype Tie Fighter pilot or squadron leader. Perhaps a throwback to the droidships with its AI dropped into a special suit that is compatible with Imp starship cockpits...I know.... Said I to George. Three words - RIGHT - HAND - MAN - He looked at me for a moment like he was going to shout BOSSKA! and I was going to drop into one of the Rancor pits! You're crazy, he said. And got up to leave. But I pulled out one of the original paintings by Ralph and a red sharpie and I drew a line from the the gloved fist of "Onyks Amurai", as he was known at the time. (Better name than Darth if you ask me.) George looked at it for a minute and said Bring me a maquette... And the rest is history. Seriously. We nearly had Ploh-Koon in that scene!.... Can you imagine?"
     
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    That's how I imagine it all got started.
     
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    Forgive my ignorance, but I do not understand what is being said here... Is Feloni claiming that Ploh-koon is a background character in one of Ralph McQuarrie's concept art pieces? (If so, which one?)

    Sorry for being stupid...
     
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    I'm just riffing on the Filoni putting Vader in Rogue One story and switching it with Filoni's well known desire to put Plo Koon in any Star Wars project (he was the stand in before the shot the Luke for Mando Chpt 16) and suggesting that Vader is in fact the obscure character that he elevated to Emperor's right hand and so on. And how Vader was just a background cyborg in some concept art before Dave vandalised it by drawing a lightsaber blade next to it. "Onyks Amurai" is just Onyx Samurai. An on the nose pun invoking the black stone and Japanese warrior. :p
     
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    Ah.... it was a joke... And here I was, thinking I'd stumbled over some fascinating deep cut info that I didn't know beforehand... :oops:
    So... did I mention that I am stupid? :rolleyes:
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    Or maybe my fake story was just way to authentic and convincing sounding. That was my intent so I take that as a great compliment,... stupid. :D
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    Regarding the actual story though, and the part about recasting the, "too italian" actor in the suit during production. Vader definitely talks with his hands a lot in A New Hope. In the opening scene with Leia and in the scenes with Tarkin. There's even shots with his hands gesturing even though it's silent because they edited the looped dialogue and moved it where they wanted it rather than sync it with Prowse's performance.
     
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    Yep, I believe Freddie 100%. Whether or not he is the director, I hope any future Star Wars movie projects are developed under the watchful eyes of Dave Filoni.
     
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    I wouldn't be surprised to see Dave running LFL. Probably not next in line simply because he has so many plates spinning right now, but I've always had a suspicion that GL, and KK were grooming him to run the Whole Enchilada someday.
    As far as movies, we need to get out of the trilogy mindset, and I think Filoni and Favreau should be at least in an oversight situation/EP on anything going forward. I found a comment a bit odd during their press tour this week, Jon made a comment about one of the great things about their partnership was that Dave ALSO works over THERE at Lucasfilm... Seemed like an odd point to make, but did he mean on the film side as well? Is Favreau not considered part of LFL? It got me curious to the arrangement.
     
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    Things may have changed since the change in the Disney CEO. But I seem to recall that Favreau was promoted to having creative oversight over all things Disney and Filoni was promoted to having creative insight over all things Star Wars.

    I seriously doubt either one has aspirations of being the new Kathleen Kennedy. I think both men are content to running their own shops without a lot of 'upper brass' interference.
     
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    I dare say Dave would much prefer writing directing and producing to running a corporation or anything else for that matter. I'd wager he also has ambitions that aren't even Star Wars related at all. If he has any sense. You can have too much of a good thing.
     
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    Down the road a ways, I can see it. He will deserve an elevated position in the company. He and JF are building quite the powerhouse cabal with Rick, Bryce, Deborah, even Taika and Rodriguez are likely to do more in the Mandoverse. As they beef up the team, it will give them the ability to take more control of the wider Galaxy and assume more executive positions. I don't really see either of them giving up the creative end altogether, but that CEO title is a much more fluid job description than it used to be.

    I do completely agree that it would be great to see him try some other things outside of SW. Dude is immensely talented and creative. Maybe that's something Fav could help him ease into, seeing as how widespread and diverse his work has been over his career. Filoni strikes me as a guy with a quirky sense of humor, like he would do well in the style of mid-90s indie film. Like a Kevin Smith/Ed Burns/Guy Ritchie feel.
     
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