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SPECULATION Vader and Padme

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by Bandini, Jul 17, 2017.

  1. Bandini

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    Did Vader think during his whole dark times that he was the one who killed Padme like Palps told him ?

    Was his anger directed towards himself ?
     
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    I dont think any of the movies goes into that very deeply. I cant say that I know the same for all the books. I have only read a handful and never read anything about Vaders feelings on the death of Padme. I think you could speculate that a broken heart mixed with a tortured soul that is nearly all powerful is a bad loaf of bread to bake.
     
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    As we see in the PT he has a way of justifying his actions and twisting the truth in his mind. He blamed Obi-Wan for turning her against him before their first duel and while he might accept that he accidentally killed her I bet he probably blames Obi-Wan for the fact that any of it happened at all. He might feel some guilt but I bet he still blames Obi-Wan for the bulk of it. Hate and the Dark Side and all that.
     
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    I doubt he killed her, her fate was sent in motion when she became pregnant, if he killed her the twins would've died to.
     
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    He wasn't there, he didn't even know Padme gave birth. It's about what Palps told him.

    In your anger, you killed her. He never really knew what happened.

    I'm not saying he killed her, I'm saying he thought he did because it was the official Palps talk.
     
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    Darth Sidious may have took away his memory just before Rouge one.
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    I like that u wrote Palps
     
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    Palpatine said that in his anger Vader had killed her and in my mind that's not entirely untrue. There was just a little more of a gray area than Palpatine let on. She had survived the attack physically able to survive but Anakin's turn to the Dark Side, what he had done and finally the Force assault on the woman who loved him (and was pregnant by him) are presumably what led to her losing the will to live. He may not have killed her physically but did so spiritually and her body followed.
     
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    Yeah Palpy knew in Anakin's grief he would believe him.
     
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    I always thought that Vader realized that Padme didn't die the way he was told, when he finds out that he has a (living) son.

    So that means this is the same question as "When did Vader truly come to believe he had a son?" which has pretty much been debated ad nauseum. I would be okay with just saying everyone is welcome to have their own interpretation on this one. As a "Lucasist," I personally believe it happens during the TESB hologram scene.

    Vader is initially skeptical of the story that he killed Padme ("I? She was alive! I felt it!"), but since he then screams NOOO, my interpretation is that he senses that Padme is dead and accepts the story at that point, and he doesn't doubt it again until he finds out about Luke (whenever that is).

    Fun fact: My iPhone just tried to autocorrect "Padme" to "Parmesan."
     
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    Oh, so it wasn't just me that thought Padmé's character was cheesy??! :eek:
     
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    Ironically, he didn't try to twist the truth of his actions regarding the Tuskens. Anakin was pretty frank about his hatred toward them for killing Shmi and at the same time, frank about his guilt over his killing them. And as the first half hour of "Revenge of the Sith" revealed, he had continued feeling guilt over killing the Tuskens during the three years between "Attack of the Clones" and the 2005 film.

    Even more ironic is the fact that Padme tried to dismiss his actions. I think Padme felt that the Tuskens had deserved their fate for what they did to Shmi. She felt that they had received "justice" (in the novelization). As for Palpatine, he simply reminded Anakin of his actions against the Tusken to convince him to kill the defenseless Count Dooku.
     
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