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Was there ever hope for Jar Jar Binks?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by HothLeia, Oct 9, 2015.

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Is there anything that would make you like Jar Jar more?

  1. Different character design

    1 vote(s)
    5.9%
  2. If he wasn't CGI (practical effects, muppet, or costume)

    2 vote(s)
    11.8%
  3. My age. (He really is just for the kids.)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Personality/writing

    8 vote(s)
    47.1%
  5. Voice Acting

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. More important storylines

    2 vote(s)
    11.8%
  7. Nothing could ever make me like that gungan.

    1 vote(s)
    5.9%
  8. Jar Jar hate is overrated. I don't mind/like Jar Jar.

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    17.6%
  9. It was the hype and big expectations for TPM that really forged my dislike.

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    0.0%
  10. more screen time in II and III

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    0.0%
  1. HothLeia

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    I watched The Phantom Menace recently (probably the third time I've watched it compared to the 140-something times I've seen the other movies)....and it really wasn't that bad. In fact, I found myself appreciating the effects, really digging Padme's storyline, and taking in some neat practical scenic shots. (I would even say I like TPM more than Clone Wars.) Then there was Jar Jar. While I found him annoying, I didn't watch his scenes with the same loathing (more of indifference this round). Which left me wondering, did this character ever have any hope?

    While some aspects of the Star Wars universe seem to have fans split (like ewoks, EU, the prequels in general), there seemed to be universal hatred or indifference for Jar Jar. I have to say that after reading articles about the character design team (and the heartbreaking interviews with Ahmed Best who really gave it his all), I have more appreciation for the character. I can't see Jar Jar ever becoming a beloved character for me, but I don't watch his scenes with the same eye-rolling. I kind of just...don't think too much about him. I tune him out. ...but even that is unfortunate. I would never want to tune out Chewie or R2 or even C3P0!

    However, I started wondering if there was ever any hope for the poor ole Gungan to be a likeable character. I don't fault the voice acting-I think Ahmed did what he did to do and developed a voice that fit the script. Could anything had catapulted Jar Jar to at least the acceptable kids table? (He'll never share a table with Han and Obiwan, but I digress...)

    For me, I wondered if it was the CGI (which still had a long way to go at the time) that really hit the final nail in the gungan coffin. If Jar Jar was a muppet or costume, I KNOW I would not have disliked him so much from the beginning. Other practical/costume/human actor characters can be just as annoying at times (C3P0 has his moments, Anakin, Padme, ewoks to some--not me) but the same levels and numbers of dislike are not there.


    While I know others disagree about the CGI/practical effects debate, I do believe I would have at least given Jar Jar a pass if he was a costume or muppet. I don't even hate the the design-I think practical gungans could have been a pretty neat concept. While the unnecessary kiddie humor would still irritate me, I think I could deal if he looked real and seemed to "fit" more with the other characters. However, with all the above combined (in the poll) the CGI is what did it for me. Not that the design team did anything wrong-I just think the combination of the factors (kiddie humor, script, too much screen time) should not have merged with a CGI character.

    Was there any one thing that could have changed Jar Jar's fate? Was the combination of bad factors too much? Or does the blame lie in the movies or something beyond the wellspring of the force?
     
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    The situations they put him in were bad. Always doing something dumb. He could have been a neat character but stepping in poop shouldn't have made him a general.
     
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    That is true. His introduction was awkwardly timed and had very odd pacing. He kind of just appeared and became part of the team, followed by a bunch of humor for kids scenes . The underwater scenes that were intended for his character development and any emotional attachment were lost in kiddie humor, bland writing, and the fact we didn't get to know young Obi and Qui-Gon yet. While I think the CGI sealed the deal for me (I've just never been a fan of full CGI characters), it truly was a perfect storm that created Jar Jar.
     
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    Having a character there solely for 'comedy value' was not a good decision. He wasn't a character. I wish they'd made the Gungans more of a tribal warrior race, and had the Jar Jar character become more of an organic part of the crew by being Padme's bodyguard in Episode II.
     
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    I would have liked that a lot.
    his characters humor was forced as well.
     
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    I would be interested if someone dubbed a different voice for Jar Jar? His antics are still juvenile in the movie, but his voice makes it worse!
     
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    I have no beef with Ahmed.
     
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    JJ (haha) Binks, like the ewoks were created to entertain the kids, not us unfortunately. But the character does not bother me too much, there are a lot of other things that I dislike more iin the PT than Binks:

    - Hayden Christenense as Anakin;
    - Lloyd as Anakin;
    - Story;
    - Script
     
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    I had a friend that had three kids all under 7. They loved Jar Jar. The comedy was out of place and his personality was unreal.

    In the late 80's early 90's Lucas and Chris Clarmont (writer for a long run of X-men comics) did a trilogy of stories that were sequels to the story of Willow. There was a character in it that I loved. That was basically an otter, the character was a natural swimmer, acrobatic and very much a happy go lucky sort. Watching Jar Jar I thought of this character and I would have much preferred the otter design. Its clear that Lucas used the same sort of idea as the kernel for Jar Jar.
     
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    Surprisingly, what annoyed me the most was the fact that Lucasfilm took him mostly out of the rest of the trilogy. Love him or hate him, they put so much effort into him and the Gungans in Episode 1,and then nothing but a few idiotic scenes in II and III. I'm not a big fan,but he was part of the team.
     
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    Was there really any intent on part of Lucas or Lucasfilm to make us actually WANT to save him? Hmm let's see, 1-We had never ever seen a piece of poop in SW till Jar Jar came along to step in one and 2-We had never heard a fart in SW till Jar Jar came along to smell it. Were they even trying to get adult fans to like him? What's worst, after PM, knowing that that character generated lots of hatred from the fans, knowing people who hated the Ewoks now comsider them awesome compared to Jar Jar and knowing people hate and acuse Jar Jar of being a rasist stereotype, Lucas makes Jar Jar the sole reason that Palpatine, the most vile scumbag in the galaxy, rose to power! Is there any doubt that Jar Jar was made to be hated? Why make a reviled character be the dude who gave rise to the villain who would be responisble for destroying the whole Jedi order and making life miserable to the whole galaxy? Can it get any worse than that or is there even a slight chance that they want someone to like him?
     
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    This is all of the hope you will ever need:
     
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    Jar Jar never worked sadly........ Had he had been toned down and more of a Chewie Type character it would have changed the entire outlook of the film.
     
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    Dude but if so many fans say they hate the prequel movies and AOTC and ROTS hardly had Jar Jar in them, imagine the hatred and the fury that people would aim at the prequels if Jar Jar would have had a greater role in them. In just one movie we had screams, a pile of poop, a fart, tongue jokes, cowardice and enough clumsyness to embarrass even Goofy, imagine what more horrors could Jar Jar have added to the saga if left as a main character.
     
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    That would have been interesting. Clearly George was trying to do a soft-reboot and redeem the prequels by cutting a much-hated character, but I wonder what the films would have been like had he tried to redeem Jar Jar himself?

    Apart from the slapstick, Jar Jar is - dare I say it - actually an interesting character.
     
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    Even after all his dumb antics in TPM, fart and poop aside, had Jar Jar been given at least one or two good points as a senator maybe the hatred for him would have decreased. If instead of making him the sole reason that Palpatine rose to power, they would have given that roll to some other senator and had made Jar Jar strictly oppose that decision, I'm sure a few fans would have seen him in a new light. Even if he failed and Palpatine still rose to power, the fact that Jar Jar would have at least tried to prevent that would have given his character a little hope but after all the hatred he generated in TPM, having Jar Jar suckered into helping old man Palps rise to ultimate power, that was the last thing he needed to be completly hated and considered useless.
     
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    Oh heavens! Someone in the TFA forum just reminded me of a character so horrible....so wretched...that I hate it more than Jar Jar. Yes, there is a character that is worse than the Gungan. I think what saves it, is that this character is one scene (a scene that I mentally block). That character is the two-headed ESPN sports announcer from the pod race. Good g-d. Not only is it CGI, but it is basically a pop culture reference that belongs in something like Shrek. I remember thinking, WTF is that thing doing in Star Wars? It was that abomination (seeing it in a book before the film came out) that first made me feel the hate rising....not Jar Jar.

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    Can you imagine the horrors if this thing had as much airtime as Jar Jar? The horrible puns? The pop culture jokes? The two heads bickering and being annoying?

    It makes me wonder about Jar Jar. I think the announcer is just the worst thing, but luckily it was restricted to one scene. Now, what if Jar Jar was restricted to just one scene? What if he just helped the Jedi navigate their way to the underwater city and that was the last we saw of him? I think he would achieved minor nuisance status like Salacious Crumb etc. (Even though I personally love SC.) But SC is another character that if given too much screen time (like annoyingly following Luke to Dagobah, etc.) he could have becoming another irritating ally instead of a funny extra character that comes and goes.
     
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    I always thought that Jar Jar COULD have been a cool character. First off, change the voice. To... anything. Maybe even an alien voice with subtitles. Anything. Second, we know he was banished. Why? Clumsiness. Why not have it be him trying to kill Boss Nass or something like that? Maybe he could be like a Han Solo character who rides the line but becomes good. That would make for a great action sequence when they swim down to the city. Trying to get a transport without being seen or causing a disturbance. The Jedi have no choice but to go along. His design, at it's base, is fine. Give him some personality by giving him scars, tattoos, etc. though.
     
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    They were the original design for Jar Jar . ;)
     
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    Marvel should release a Star Wars: Binks miniseries in an effort to redeem Jar Jar. Maybe he can start a Rebel cell with Padme's handmaidens to avenge the death of his comrade?
     
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