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What, if any stuff from the Lego special do you think is canon? (Minor spoiler)

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by Andrew Waples, Nov 18, 2020.

  1. Andrew Waples

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    I think probably the biggest thing is that Finn will be training to become a jedi and maybe the portal stuff? Not necessarily used for comedic purposes... but maybe the ability?
     
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    So I don't think anything from this is really "canon," but it might give some hints at the direction in which Lucasfilm is thinking.

    Finn training to become a Jedi is probably the biggest one. I would love the see that happen in canon.

    The portal stuff, it's a no from me. We might see the "world between worlds" from Rebels at some point, but I think the whole key/portal bit is just a Holiday Special-specific macguffin.
     
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    I was thinking this the other day- kind of a fascinating time period, since as far as I know it's the latest into "canon" that we know of so far (being that it's an extension of the new canon, even if it's not canon itself).

    I think I could see this being true, a sort of less wacky version of the events:

    Rey and Finn are training, and Rey is having difficulty as a master to her new apprentice. She learns of the Jedi temple on whatever planet that was, and heads there to meditate.

    While there, she sees various visions of Jedi from the past. These could be the movie scenes, but there could also be included more ancient Jedi, stuff from the High Republic, etc. Without the LEGO spin, there's less of a need for fanservice.

    While she observes these masters and apprentices of the past, she also might see some sith. This could impart some sort of truth of the Force onto her, perhaps something about balance, or the origins of the Jedi/Sith.

    She doesn't actually visit any of these locations until the final one, where she meets a meditating Yoda on Dagobah, long before Luke's arrival. This makes sense given Yoda's act as a narrator in the special, and perhaps more controversially it puts a new spin on "there is another".

    She finally returns to Finn and begins training with renewed vigor in all she's learned.

    The Life Day stuff we could take or leave. I see that as more of the Holiday framing device of the special and not really an essential part of the narrative, so I don't have a problem dropping it. Also... Greedo being there was kind of strange anyway (that was him, right?).
     
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    Time travel should never be part of canon. It makes alot of stories pointless. For the holiday special it was okay though.

    I quote Pablo Hidalgo- as long as it doesn't contradict the actual canon, it's canon.
     
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    Boy do I have some bad news for you.
     
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    The portal stuff I enjoy in something like this, but if it ever came to a live action movie/show... I don't think I would like it. Even when they did it in Rebels I had my reservations but did come around on it.

    The Finn stuff is intriguing, I hope this isn't the only thing we get to see it in.
     
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    Poe's Christmas Life Day sweater is obviously the purest of canon.
     
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    World Between Worlds is not really considered to be time travel- if you mean that by news... It's still a boring story tool though.
     
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    The World Between Worlds is the closest we’ll ever get to time travel IMO and I don’t even consider that time travel in the traditional sense. It’s not like Back to the Future. There’s one continuous time stream and that’s that. Ezra didn’t change time when he saved Ahsoka from Vader, it was always meant for that to happen.

    As for this special in particular, I could see this temple on Cordoku (is that how it’s spelt?) being a real thing and also being a gateway to the World Between Worlds. Maybe Rey really does access it in canon?

    The galaxy being at peace after TROS will likely stick in canon. I don’t think there will be much of a First Order remnant, but I still hope we see a story that better utilizes the Sith Eternal army down the line.

    Finn training to be a Jedi under Rey is definitely going to influence canon. If and when we see these characters again, he’ll hopefully be a full fledged Jedi. I wonder what sort of lightsaber he would use.

    I also want to believe that Hux actually walked in on shirtless Kylo at some point in time. :p
     
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    I agree that it can be a pretty lazy story tool. I think it can be done well (I was quite pleased with Avengers: Endgame, for example) but yeah, it's a hard sell for Star Wars. I'm interested in why you don't consider World Between Worlds time travel, though. IMO if you can enter a portal to another time and alter events--like rescuing a certain Togruta--that's pretty much time travel.
     
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    Agreed on no time travel .... and glad that SW doesn’t mess with Newtonian Physics I.e. time dilation , or there would be no way to tell stories
     
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    Yes, and I'm pretty sure he gleefully yelled "Maclunkey!" as he ran onto the Falcon with the rest of the gang. :D
     
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    Well, 'time travel' is already canon thanks to World Between Worlds and I do think it has no place in Star Wars BUT!

    I loved what World Between Worlds did, it actually took the concept of time travel and weaved it into the IP in a meaningful way that makes sense.

    What we saw in the holiday special was definitely not canon and will never appear again in other more streamlined forms of media.

    If any of you are interested in hearing me ramble more about this, I do so here:



    Wish they used the opportunity to throw in Ahsoka in there somewhere so she could have interacted with the OT cast. Perhaps the creatives behind the special were told not to do so since Lucasfilm is holding it back for future media so when it does happen, it feels truly special and the fanbase goes crazy over it.
     
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    Yes. And of course Kylux.
     
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    [QUOTE="Devizz, post: 587427, member: @Devizz

    Wish they used the opportunity to throw in Ahsoka in there somewhere so she could have interacted with the OT cast. Perhaps the creatives behind the special were told not to do so since Lucasfilm is holding it back for future media so when it does happen, it feels truly special and the fanbase goes crazy over it.[/QUOTE]

    That never even crossed my mind... it's worth noting though I think they were just referencing the movies. I don't think other canon characters popped up.
     
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    Filoni himself confirmed it's not time travel:

    "I don't really think of it as time travel. It's not really a thing where you go through one door and out another in a different time."
     
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    I mean, Filoni says that. But Ezra goes through a door at one time, goes into another door at a different time and brings Ahsoka back. Right? I don't see how what Filoni says here tracks with what actually happens.
     
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    I guess he's saying that it's not changing the events.
     
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    I get that. What happened was always going to happen, and so forth. But I think most people would still categorize this as a time travel story.

    for example (spoilers for the Netflix series "Dark")--

    In the show Dark, characters frequently visit other times , and the essential premise is that try as they might, they cannot change the course of events. But I don't think anyone would argue that it's not a "time travel" story. It's just a time travel story that uses time travel well, not as a lazy retcon tool.
     
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    One weird thing that I noticed as far as canonicity goes- when all of the extra friends arrive at the Falcon for Life Day, someone makes an offhand comment about "Off World Jawas". We rarely hear the phrase "off world" in Star Wars, so it kinda implies that it's strange to see Jawas anywhere other than their homeworld (presumably Tatooine).

    Yet we do see them offworld. In Mando they're on Nick Ugnolte's planet (Arvala-7), and I'm relatively sure we also see them on Nevarro.

    Just seems kinda weird, to me.

    I respect Filoni's opinion, but just because it's a continuous stream of events that had always happened doesn't make it not technically Time Travel.

    It's actually a pretty standard example of the Grandfather Paradox, a staple of timetravel mythology. Filoni didn't really reinvent the wheel with this one, it's been done before in many time travel stories.
     
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