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Why Ben Solo turned to the dark side (Theory)

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by baesy ridley, Dec 25, 2015.

  1. baesy ridley

    baesy ridley Rebelscum

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    This is one of the biggest questions we are left with from this movie. Everyone wants to know the history of Kylo Ren and Snoke and how Snoke turned Ben to the dark side. I have a theory.......

    So we know that:
    - Ben is forced to go train with Luke, he doesn't want to
    - Han is never around (not a good father)
    - Already Ben has this hatred for their parents
    - But Ben doesn't go to Vader, Vader comes to him
    - Snoke has been watching Ben for a while now. Interested in him because of his force potential
    - What's the next best role model figure other than the father? The grandfather. In this case, Vader
    - Snoke, using his powers, creates an illusion of Vader, that speaks to Ben (not actually Vader, because he turned back to the light in the end) <-- in the novelization both Snoke and Kylo know this
    - Ben is then seduced by Snoke, by using Darth Vader

    Note: When Ben says, "show me, the power of the darkness". He's referring to what Snoke showed Ben, not what Vader did. When Kylo realizes that Snoke has been tricking him this whole time, it will push him even closer to the light side. Although at this point i feel he's nonredeemable.

    Thoughts?
     
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    Revanchist Clone Trooper

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    I like, I like!

    There's rumors of having a Light and Dark side embodiment of Anakin/Vader that is teaching him as a force ghost. Could this be snoke? Maybe, but I like where this is going!
     
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    EDIT:
    Scratch that. He is still redeemable, but our main characters will never accept him or forgive him for what he has done.
    So something like: Kylo Ren turns to the light side last minute, saving Rey, but dying in the process. (sound familiar?)
     
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    Kylo Ren is redeemable at this point in the story, since he is being used. Even though he murdered his father, he himself is being used by Snoke, just like Vader was used by Palpatine. Both Vader and probably Ren have been seduced by their masters with obtaining a power that neither of their masters are willing to art with. Vader was seduced with the power of keeping the ones that he loved from dying. As for Ren, that remains to be seen. Perhaps their is some connection with Rey to this seduction.
     
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    Although I know an Anakin/Vader ghost was considered at the conceptual stage, I don't think this (or a fabrication of this by Snoke) is what Kylo Ren was referring to when communing with Vader's helmet.

    I look more to Rey's story as a parallel to Ren's. In this case, I wonder if Kylo Ren could've had his own 'Forceback' vision in his earlier years, but one vastly different from Rey's, darker, and possibly influenced by Snoke. In his case, it would've been Vader's burnt helmet that caused it, which is as iconic, if not more, as Anakin's lightsaber.

    Based on the film and ancillary materials, Kylo Ren seems like he has a constant conflict within himself between the light and the dark. This is pretty natural amongst any person, but when that person has a strong connection to the Force, as well as a unique legacy and expectations, this conflict is augmented. Snoke highly values this conflict, seeing Kylo Ren as an ideal embodiment of the Force because of it, and has seemingly taught Ren to use that conflict to obtain power.

    Clearly they are still dark siders, but perhaps internal conflict with the light helps Kylo Ren constantly augment his allegiance with the darkness. If he had a strong background with the light side, a deep link to the dark side through Vader's helmet could have been a good introduction to the kind of power that would've seduced him. A path validates and embraces his inner conflict, and brings him glory through it, rather than seeing it as a problem that needs to be treated.

    (That said, I fully believe Snoke could've influenced him to find/contact the helmet, and even influenced what he saw. Likely just the first, though. Having Snoke influence his vision seems like giving the dark side and its temptations to little credit.)
     
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    I really hope they dont go in the direction, that is just like recycling ANH and ROTJ, i know they want to get us familiar again but its like come on we already played to this dance.
     
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    Interesting,sounds possible.The whole Anakin/Vader ghosts could be another thing.What if both the spirits speak to Kylo,making it even more difficult to strengthen in the dark side.
     
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    Or it will push KR to go so MF'ing bad that he kills Snoke and becomes the ultimate "evil" in the galaxy without any affiliations .
     
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    I think that simply the knowledge that your grandfather was the most famous badass in the galaxy would weigh heavily on your mind.

    Every dark thought that would be normal for a teenager growing up, you would wonder.... "Is this normal? Or have I inherited something from gramps"?

    I'm not saying this would be enough to push you over the edge, but it would definitely mess with your head during those hormonally charged years.
     
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    Kylo/Ben probably would have been a teenager when he turned to the Dark Side. It's either about not keeping his room clean or being suspended from XBox Live. ;)
     
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    It's like knowing your dad is Charles Manson or hitler is your great uncle and left you millions of dollars that you can't touch .
     
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    they could also be a case of entitlement in that he has this great force pedigree but Rey (who I now believe must have had some sort of training) could have had a more natural talent & so became Luke's preferred student leading ben to seek out a way of out performing her thus leading him to be seduced to the dark side by Snoke with the powers of the dark side & so his fall was mainly a result of petty jealously
     
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    This is my take on it. It is implied that Snoke watched Ben Solo from the early childhood. He was probably influencing him too to some extent. Ben lives in a very prominent family - Leia was Rebellion leader who is also Force sensitive, Han was a Rebellion General and a hero, Luke is the Jedi. And they are probably all busy trying to build the New Republic/Jedi Order. Kid is bound to feel inadequate. He wants to belong which, once he discovers the Force, increases his thirst for prominence. Leia sees his Dark Side leanings and decides to sent him to Luke hoping to curb them. Ben is angry to be sent away. But, not only that, he is now surrounded by others like him and nothing makes him special. But, Snoke offers him the way to be - to be like his grandfather. Vader was a right hand man to the Emperor, enforcer of law and order in the Galaxy who could have become the most powerful Dark Side user/Sith if only he wasn't sentimental (words from the novel and supposedly the reason Kylo decides to kill Han) and saved his son. The New Republic is messy as all democracies are and Ben can help restore the order.

    I don't know the exact events that tipped the scale from Ben Solo to Kylo Ren, but this is how I see his background. Basically, he is a brat who didn't get enough attention from mom and dad, which is why he wants to please Snoke so badly. And, this makes him a fascinating villain. We may laugh at his temper tantrums but, just imagine, living around such a person. It's like carrying a powder keg near open flame at all times.
     
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