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Will it feel as if we skipped a trilogy?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Altgr0160, Sep 25, 2015.

  1. Altgr0160

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    The negativity thread kinda got me thinking... We know a lot of time has passed between Return of the Jedi and The Force Awakens.
    Some people are angry that Han and Leia possibly never got together, that Han potentially dies and that we never got enough time with him or that the big three won't have a last scene together before his demise!
    It personally wouldn't bother me, since I believe it could all be explained and worked out.

    My point is, will have things changed so much that we will get the feeling that we missed out on an in-between trilogy? And don't get me wrong, I think we can still appreciate and enjoy this new trilogy with the new characters and new adventures, but we might leave the theater with a bittersweet thought. How exciting the stories that are ahead of us, sure! But on the other hand how sad that we will never get to see those adventures of Han, Luke and Leia, that will probably be hinted at. How sad a sequel trilogy wasn't filmed 20 years ago!

    What do you guys think, has this crossed your mind?
     
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    I hope it does feel like that. Thats how the OT felt. Like, "I wish I could see all that stuff they're talking about!". I'll be alright with not seeing it though. I'm sure there will be bukus of mediocre novels telling us about those adventures. I do wish we would have got an ST instead of a PT 15 years ago though!
     
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    I think it will be the same as between Episode III and IV.. A LOT happened between those 2 movies and only now we're getting the story that fills the gap. So I think there will be some tv show or something like Rebels/Clone Wars (perhaps even Standalone movie) .. but I think you shouldnt worry much. You should get excited for this because Im 100 % sure there wont be just a gap. There are books, tv shows and more coming. Patience.... young padawan
     
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    I actually prefer it this way. It puts us back where we were at the beginning of ANH. We know these characters had stuff happen to them in the past that got us to this point, but we don't know the specifics. We pick it up in the middle, with what came before deepening the universe that the stories occur in,.
    --- Double Post Merged, Sep 25, 2015, Original Post Date: Sep 25, 2015 ---
    Funny! Same reason, different answer. :)
     
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    I'm hoping for it. I want enough to have changed that the period in-between becomes a rich and fertile place for books and tv shows to flourish. Part of the fun of rebels is that the PT is so different from the OT that having something in the middle has some novelty.
     
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    I love this way of thinking. I kind of thought about it as I finished writing the thread. I think it will make us even more excited about the star wars universe!
    I just hope that those stories will be told properly, not sure through what medium ideally.
     
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    I respectfully disagree. The first time kids saw A New Hope in the 70s they may have felt this way, but after watching the OT, then when the prequels came, they tied right up with the beginning of the original. We saw Luke and Leia as babies, the origins of Darth Vader in his suit, and the Death Star being built, and we could look at these things and knew where they were headed. So, in the opposite, on this side of the OT, it should somewhat pickup where ROTJ left off. But we aren't really getting that, we are getting all new people, with some of the OT characters in the background, and we are missing way too much of what happened to characters we know. We all know they waited too late to make these, and our OT crew has aged quite a bit, but they should still focus on them for this new movie, with the new kids in the background and have the new kids develop their story arch as the OT characters fade out. As I have said before, it's just not fair to have waited so long for a sequel and we have to be introduced to new leads. It should flow, like the PT flowed into the OT, where we knew time passed but we picked up with familiar characters who aged 22 years. This seems like we have missed out on way too much, like 2 or 3 chapters were skipped in the Skywalker story.
     
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    I believe it will, and thats why it concerns me that the film will be less than two and a half hours long. Will things such as Threepio's red arm be explained properly? Will we get a sense of what happened with Leia and Han? What Luke go up to?

    I am worried the film will presume our knowledge of these things and power through the main plot without answering our initial questions.. or even answer them in really cheesy ways such as flashbacks.. or leave things to be explained by some dumb cartoon show.

    Give me monologues with Max Von Sydow, Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill.. not this flashback crap with every character spouting one-liners the whole time..

    Anyway those are my fears for TFA, hopefully it turns out great.. i'm getting cranky waiting for this trailer
     
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    I think it might feel like we missed something, but that's okay. Not everything needs to be seen or explained, and it's fine for some time to pass and not much happens.
     
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    I see your point, and I agree. But I also understand why this is happening. Disney can't make a movie where the three main characters are old people. I think they will try to put them as much as possible without making them "the image" of the product so to speak. That's why we are not seeing them in any of the marketing and I'm sure they will have very few screentime, just like Obi Wan did. The exception being Han Solo, who is going out with a bang! (allegedly)
     
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    I'm of the camp that would have preferred the PT to never be made. Not because of any hate for the films themselves. I just think it over explained. Same reason I'm generally not fond of EU books. When everything is explained and every corner explored, it feels less magical and at the same time less real. Its limiting to the universe.

    So, when I referred to it mimicking the OT, i did mean as you point out, pre-PT. The OT lost some of its mystery and magic when those movies came out. This is a great chance to get some of that back.
     
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    I think I can appreciate the dilemma with the aged characters, and to give a needed time-skip to the point where things heat up again.

    That said (I say that a lot), I do feel like there WERE things happening that COULD be explained via a show or even a cartoon - much like TCW/rebels. Does it NEED to happen? No. Will it PROBABLY happen in time? I think so. And I think exploring the skip will be enjoyable, for me at least, not limiting.




    So what do you guys think about a show that is done in true-to-life CGI? Think updated Final Fantasy: Spirits Within graphics and less cartoony looking ones.

    Perhaps they can capture the likelihood of the main characters post RotJ. Maybe have it look rotoscoped or something where the medium is aware it's not real life, but it looks truer to life than cartoon-based. Maybe a classier way to do the story. Think what they did with Arnold to make him look younger in Terminator: Salvation, but less blast (sliding scale more cartoony to avoid the look when CGI tries to pass off as real).
     
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    I'm not sure how I'd feel about more realistic CG chapters of a story. I liked the Clone Wars, but at times it felt a little too plastic and stylized, but I also don't generally like the all-CG realistic style stuff like that Beowulf film or the Polar Express. Uncanny Valley and all that. Gollum bridged a lot of that but for me, a person who talks with his hands a lot, the hands always looks lifeless. Even folks who don't gesticulate wildly with their hands have an extension of their personality in their hands when they move and that would be key to making it work.

    I'd have to see it to know for sure what I think. I will watch it though if that happens because I'm always curious what Han Solo is up to.
     
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    I think it depends on what details are left out.

    For instance why aren't Leia and Han together? Personally I hope they are still together and happy. Save Han being in prison another other presentation of their not being together begs for a full telling not just a referred to change. Especially when watching Harrison Ford fall in love for the 2nd time in movies has been done and it couldn't save Crystal Skull.

    If Luke has kids. What? This is a major life event that requires full telling. I would hate to miss out on this.

    That said there are lots of battles and history that is the story of what the GFFA has gone. Meaning if the major changes are galactic it will feel like we are watching a new chapter. if the Characters are radically different it feels like we will miss too much of the story.
     
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    It should feel that way. That's what makes fantasy universes work.
     
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    It's a common practice in books to jump ahead in a timeline. It affords more storytelling opportunities and helps to build up mystery again. Nice to see it in a movie series. I read somewhere that this is the first time a movie series is picking up again with same cast after so long

    If 30 years seems too big a jump best avoid the Dune books then. They jump thousands of years ahead in between some of the books.

    For some reason viewers these days seem to have a problem if every little thing isn't spelled out though
     
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    I was going to say the exact same thing.
    The audience is always ahead of the screenwriter/director.
    The beauty of the OT is that you are plunged straight into a world full of moisture vaporators and Jawas and a civil war that is never really explained as much as it might be, and you just follow it, because humans have an innate ability to do that.

    If we just picked up right where we left off after ROTJ, it would be so limiting - this person does this, and then this person does this, and so on. The drama of a new trilogy set 30 years later is like uncovering something on an archaeological dig - you are just presented with part of something poking out of the mud, and you gradually, delicately brush away the earth and the bigger picture is slowly revealed... you don't understand what you are looking at at first, but it is eventually given context, and the true story becomes apparent...
    I'd much rather have it that way.
     
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    I do agree about the issue of people having the need to spell it all out for them. But I was rather expressing the desire I had to see what happened between the trilogies.
    But I realize now that that's a good thing! It's indeed similar to what you felt when you first watched ANH and you were just thrown into this world with little explanation.
     
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    A film inviting you to think about what happened between trilogies is always going to be more rewarding and enjoyable than someone just showing you - IMHO...
    ;)
     
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    This actually excites me even more.... I have thought about that and I think ...that's a major thing that the prequels failed at.... There's a magical thing about being plunged into the middle of something unknown...
     
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