RUMOR I broke the recent news on MvS's character. Let's discuss.

There was obviously more to Jakku than some space battle. Something about Jakku is very important to both sides. But what?

 

1. Yes, there are a lot of long-lived races; for example, wookiees are known to live well past 200. He, Plaugeis, was also a Sith Lord who was experimenting in prolonging his life already. So we have a Muun, a species with a relatively long life-span, and a midichlorian-manipulating Muun at that. Not that hard to imagine him still being alive. This is, after all, Star Wars; it has never really been beholden to our limitations in real life.

2. Who says he's been conscious the past 60-odd years? This is a movie called "The Force Awakens", it's not the large of a stretch to imagine Plagueis having recently awakened from some sort of Sith healing trance; this would also explain why Palpatine died thinking his master had preceded him.

I'm not even that pro-Plagueis, I'm just demonstrating that it isn't all that difficult to think he's still alive. You argue that it lacks imagination to say he's still kicking; I would argue the corollary, that it lacks imagination to just say "he's dead, end of discussion."

Edit: I did not mean for that last to sound rude, if it does. And perhaps we should move this over to the Plagueis thread?

 

that's a good question: what is important about Jakku? one could ask the same question about Tatooine in ANH: what significance did the planet actually have in the story, other than being the staging ground? i mean yes, in retrospect it is where Luke was hidden and Obi-Wan was hiding, but in the narrative of the film there was no reason for anything to be happening there; Vader didn't know Obi-Wan or Luke were there, so technically his being near the planet is incidental. had the Tantive IV gone another route then Vader would never have had to chase the droids onto Tatooine and Luke would have had to find another reason to become a Jedi. it all just sort of, happened, so i wouldn't be surprised if something equally serendipitous doesn't bring everyone to Jakku at the right time. as to what that is, yeah... that's a good question! lol

edit: Leia was heading to Tatooine to get in touch with Obi-Wan, so i suppose that's the importance to that... lol

 

I agree. In a way Jakku like Tatooine is kind of a starting point, or a place the story takes off. Once Luke left on the Falcon that was his point of no return. But to me Jakku is different even though the same thing sort of seems to Rey just in a different way. Right now it's a mystery cause either Rey is hidden, was abandoned, or there for a purpose until the Force awakens her through Poe and Finn.

 

I think he says something about arriving at Tatooine when he was very little, or something like that. Not a very definitive statement.

 

Interesting that Vader means father... Kylo could be trying to be the father to a new order made in Vader's image...

If so you have an understanding that the Empire is no more... As it failed and a new order bathed in the cruel oppression that was Vader ensues

 

Absolutely correct, sir...

"he and his mother were brought to the desert planet of Tatooine to be the slaves of Gardulla the Hutt"

I don't think so, babalouie...

Anakin was born around 41 BBY on an unknown world, but was raised on Tatooine from the time he first came to be there as an infant or small child. Whatever world he had been originally born on, Tatooine was the only home he ever knew. His mother, Shmi Skywalker, claimed that she had become pregnant with him without having interacted with any father. Qui-Gon Jinn interpreted this as being part of a prophecy about the Chosen One who would "bring balance to the Force". The wise Jedi Master suggested that the midi-chlorians might have conceived him. In fact, Anakin had a midi-chlorian count of over 20,000, which was even greater than that of Senior Jedi Master Yoda.

 

Sources? Not sure I knew this.

 

according to the Canon side of Wookiepedia, Anakin was born on Tatooine. where does your info come from? if it's from a canon novelization of the film or something i'd say that definitely supersedes Wookiepedia lol

 

No worries my friend!

And you make a valid point. Anybody who argues Plagueis as the end all, be all is severely limiting the possibilities.

For me personally, as a kid who grew up on comic books (as well as Star Wars), I always loved when a new writer would come along and dig up the most random plot point from some back issue and spin it into an interesting new story. That's probably why the Plagueis theory trips my trigger so much. This tactic doesn't always work, but when it does it definitely is a fun shout-out to those who have been paying attention and been along for the whole ride.

*EDIT* Apologies for being off-topic but I had to reply. Back to the subject at hand!

 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Anakin_Skywalker

"and he and his mother were brought to the desert planet of Tatooine to be the slaves of Gardulla the Hutt"

http://members.shaw.ca/david.p.z.888/star_wars/anakin_skywalker.html

"Anakin was born around 41 BBY on an unknown world, but was raised on Tatooine from the time he first came to be there as an infant or small child. Whatever world he had been originally born on, Tatooine was the only home he ever knew. His mother, Shmi Skywalker, claimed that she had become pregnant with him without having interacted with any father."


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I don't think the issue was ever addressed in canon... but I have always remembered this as him having come to Tatooine as a child, not having been born there

 

this is what i was talking about:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Anakin_Skywalker/Canon

"Conceived by midi-chlorians, the symbiotic organisms that allowed individuals to touch the Force, Anakin Skywalker was born to the slave Shmi Skywalker on the desert world of Tatooine."

you may be looking at the Legends tab...

 

I don't think it is canonically established... I would like to see their source on that, which could very well be new canon

 

If I remember right, Anakin himself says that he and his mother were brought to Tatooine "when he was very young" (or something like that). However, he was a little kid when he said it and it was a line that was meant to be adorable. So it's hardly a firm statement on where he was canonically born.

 

Anyway, back to the current topic: Why was Jakku so important? Why was a Super Star Destroyer involved in the Battle of Jakku? Anakin/Luke's lightsaber must be involved, being in Finn's concept art, and being in the trailer, going from "Rose" to Leia..

 

Well MSW rumors there to have been a Jedi Temple there (their speculation about the scene with Luke and R2 in trailer #2), so maybe it was originally a Rebel Outpost/Jedi Temple and an attack came from the Empire. Maybe the lightsaber isn't Luke's but a duplicate (that explains how newish it looks) made for someone special to him who dies in the battle on Jakku and the lightsaber is lost in the ruins, only to be found later by scavengers?