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SPOILER The Mandalorian S3E8- Chapter 24, The Return

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    ouf absolutely.
    When I paused it i thought wow, the jet pack with knee projectils. Insane. And the position of the body. One of the best shots of the season.
     
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    It was not an inquiry of mine. It was a regret I expressed : a powerful dark user once did not succeed in mastering the midichlorians, but a 2nd-zone military, with no knowledge of the force at all, succeeds.
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    DISCUSS : Din Grogu and the Mythosaur

    At the end of the episode, after the Forge Revival, Din asks the Armorer to include Grogu in the chant. But Grogu is dismissed by the Armorer.
    Something like a connection is then shown : Grogu, who stands near the Living Waters, kind of moans, staring at the water. The camera then dives underwater and ends near the Mythosaur, who opens an eye at this moment.
    --> reminds of the Gideon clone who opened an eye, as Grogu passed in front of him

    The discussion is :
    is this camera move only a gratuitous nod to the mythological beast ? Or is there something happening, connectig Grogu to the Mythosaur ? Does the fact Grogu is not allowed to officially join the clan, kind of awakes the Mythosaur ? Do they "connect" thru the Force ?
     
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    Most important scene of the episode to me. Seems clear to me at least that Grogu has a connection to it and will be riding it at some point. Mech-suit pfffft, he’s gonna have a mount the size of a small city to ride upon into battle. And I think he remakes the Darksaber for his own.
     
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    Absolutely.
    It's what I thought. Narratively and visually speaking, it implies (or should imply) Grogu is connected with the criature, or he is the one who wakes him up, the presence the creature feels.
     
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    I, for one, am glad they did not go there. In this day and age, every male-female 'team-up' does not need to end in romance.
    I would rate it in the same category of 'happy endings' as the end of ANH and ROTJ. It felt that type of REALLY good. Season 3 hasn't been my favorite --- but it sure ended on a high note!!!

    I think most SW fans had the exact opposite reaction. More like: Oooooooooooh NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

    But for all of you SW fans who were depressed by its demise, cheer up---I am 100% certain its not gone forever. It's 'ruin' simply signals it has no story to tell in the foreseeable future. But its far too good of, in Gideon's words, 'a tricket' to be gone forever.

    The Darksaber has become mythological. I liken it to the King Arthur story. Like Arthur who drew the great Excalibur from the stone signifying he is the new King, it's too powerful a symbol of Mandalorian leadership to be gone forever. My gut says a Star Wars story will be told someday where a refurbished Darksaber (ala Anduril from The Lord of the Rings) comes into the possession of a new Mandalorian leader by the name of Din Grogu. :)
     
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    Anakin's saber was destroyed after The Last Jedi and Rey way able to rebuild it. I'm sure the Armorer can fix that thing up.
     
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    (dark)I hope we all get see Bo Katan sporting a cast on her pulverized wrist in the trailer for Season IV. (dark)
     
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    I just hope the Mandalorian’s can establish a better relationship with the saber and remove it from the discussion of leadership.

    I like the idea of Grogu building a lightsaber that incorporates elements from the darksaber, but I’ll be disappointed if they bring the blade back in its full capacity.
     
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    (dark) The Skywalker Family name & the Dark Saber; both of their deals were permanently altered. (dark)
     
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    Din Grogu... Ugh. I really don't like that.

    Did anyone else notice how when the PG's were chasing Grogu around, he was making endless baby noises?? That seemed incredibly lazy to me. This season they seemed to embrace this a lot more. It wasn't subtle at all. He was already incredibly cute and likeable. I thought that was really on the nose.
     
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    Chapter 24 The Return closes out the wild ride of S3 with the wildest and most frantic ride of this season. I thought it was excellent. Especially within this third season. I feel like that needs to be qualified, not because S3 was sub-par, I actually enjoyed every episode. But because this was a very different season. I find it hard to compare S3 with S1 and S2, for reasons I will expound upon at another time. As far as this one goes...

    I love how we are thrown directly back into the turmoil. Bo's immediate mindset of getting to safety, warning the others and getting reinforcements before launching back at Gideon is further proof of her growth. She is not just a Warrior, she is Leader of her people. Finally. I love how Axe was presented here. Still just a bit of skepticism on him, and then instantly it is gone. Same with the Armorer. We were left to wonder where she was, what she was up to, and to doubt her until we hear her voice, "Lady Kryze, your reinforcements have arrived." The first time, that seemed to only serve the purpose of debunking her as a traitor, but on my second view, it stood out so much more. "Lady Kryze, your reinforcements have arrived." The Armorer fully recognizes Bo-Katan as their Leader. Beautiful.

    I love how Din Returns to being a badass, and I was so glad that happened early in the episode. Grogu helping him was a welcome surprise, for me and Din both, seemingly. The laser gate sequence, with R5 scomping them open and Din "leveling up" at each one was awesome. Even for someone not very big into videogames, I was able to appreciate the theme here. I know it's a bit much for some, but i also appreciate the more realistic "death noises" like the vibroblade stabs and neck snaps. This really set-up the fact that these Imp troops were clearly no match for true Mandalorian skills and tactics. It's hard to call Gideon's clones a surprise, but they were still jarring and creepy. I loved Gideon's little tantrum about his clones, and him showing that outside of his fancy little mech suit, he is just a crazy little man.

    The whole battle scene is just amazing, there are so many little moments... Bo flying with the Darksaber, Armorer and her hammers, Koska with her knee rockets... I love every single kill our heroes make, especially those golden shots taking out more than one Imp at a time. I love, love, LOVE that Din, Grogu and Bo all worked together to take out the Praetorians and then Gideon, although, I guess technically Axe took out Gideon... Who doesn't love a good Force Bubble to shield your loved ones from fire? Gotta say, I'm kinda glad the Darksaber got destroyed, and that Bo showed Gideon that her people and their strength are far far more than just trinkets. I would have preferred it to have been a conscious decision to destroy the Darksaber, however, they still have the ability to make that decision by not rebuilding it. We shall see...

    I love the resolution of this episode. Mandalore is back in the hands of the united Mandalorian people, with Lady Bo-Katan as their Leader. The Great Forge is restored. Life on the surface is possible. There was no mention of helmets in the Creed...
    Din Djarin and Din Grogu are free from obligations. Free from being hunted. I think I love the direction they are headed, seeming to take on the Rangers of the New Republic arc, hunting down Imperial Remnant Warlords and other miscellaneous Scum and Villany that Carson Teva needs help with. Nevarro seems like a good home for them. All they need now is to setup their friend Peli Motto to move her shop there.

    I guess most of all, what I love about this episode is what they DID NOT do. Thrawn didn't show up, nor did some other unnecessary surprise character to save the day. There was no big traitor revealed. No major death among our good guys. Nobody rode the Mythosaur. Sure, any of those things could have been cool, but they likely would have ruined the theme and the feel of this episode, this arc and the season. This finale was perfect for this season.

    This episode, like all of this season, was to me, as pure of Star Wars as the Beskar in Din Djarin's armor. A major thing throughout Star Wars has always been Heroes. This episode solidified many Heroes. It took 24 episodes, but Din Djarin is now a hero. Bo-Katan, truly a hero. Grogu, Axe Woves, even the fallen Paz Viszla, all are now Heroes.
     
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    I always look forward to @MBWilson's episode takes and -- like the show itself -- I'm never disappointed. You ended S3 on a high too, buddy!

    Ironically, all the social media 'who's the traitor?' chatter of the past week added to our elation and joy when we learned that both of them remained true-blue loyal Mandalorians to their core.
    FWIW, Grogu's Force Bubble reminded me of Groot's protective bubble-shield in the first Guardians of the Galaxy film. But fortunately in this case, our little guy didn't have to sacrifice himself in order to do it.
    Totally agree. For all the hoopla and grander scope of S3, I think the show works better when it's Djarin and Grogu against the Universe. (I strongly suspect that even before S3 premiered that Favreau was thinking the same way.) But Season 3 served its purpose. Not only were some fans thrilled by the Mandalorian-dominated season, it did some necessary heavy-lifting tp 'set the stage' for bigger and better SW adventures to come.
    It's funny because I was anticipating at least one of those things -- plus an end-credits scene -- and was surprised when none of them happened.

    But when I stopped and reflected on the ending, I realized it was more emotionally satisfying because it didn't have any of those things to distract viewers. In hindsight, I would say the same thing about the end of Season 2. Looking back now, the Boba Fett post-credit scene kind of takes away a bit from the absolute beauty of that season's perfect ending.
     
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    Late to the party, but... hell yeah!
    Sure, there wasn't Thrawn or any other fan predictions, but it wasn't Gideon's demise and all that that made me happy.
    It was the very ending!

    Easily, that can be the show's ending and now, Mandalorian and Grogu will go for new adventures while having their new home.
    Awesome. I pretty much agree on all points with Star Wars Explained over the third season with the exception of the ending.
    Yes, Din is the surrogate father of Grogu and it's nothing new, just stated openly, but I was actually touched and while some guys cried over Luke Skywalker in S2, I almost lost it here. That was great.

    There are already rumors that S4 is in the making and I wonder about the movie and how that will all play out, but I am satisfied and can only look forward to Din running on his own through the Outer Rim and hunt the Imperials.

    I strongly believe, that this show (and all the volume stuff) works the best when you tell small scale stories.
    Except for the exterior VFX shots and all the spaceship action was marvelous and it looked movie like in comparison to flyby shots from first season.
    But the story was all over the place this season and all the grand sounding things felt small most of the times
    and sadly, out of the three seasons, this one was the weakest, but I did enjoy all of it, it's just nitpicks here and there.
    I hope that the rumors about Jon Favreau having issues with Lucasfilm and why the Book Of Boba Fett and this season were quite wonky in comparison to first two seasons are just rumors.

    My only issue with the last episode is Moff Gideon's demise. I wanted some satisfactory and epic kill at the hands of Bo Katan or Din for all the hell he caused for three seasons instead of Captain Phasma treatment, but that was just a fan wish. It is actually ironic for all his gloating and hubris, to die like a noob in huge explosion from his star cruiser.
    Also, I would switch any of the sidestories for more time, so they could have used some of Gideon's clones instead of them being last minute plot wrap-up and no action.

    But overal, I had lots of fun and couldn't wait each week for new Mando, even tho it was a bit unerwhelming at times, but the ending made for it.
    Now few months till Ahsoka and I hope they don't screw it up! The trailer looks epic and saw it like 20 times already since it's debut.
     
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    Yes, this^
    We did discuss this after E4 The Foundling, when Din referred to Grogu as his ward, or he was Grogu's ward... Everyone else around them used parent/child terms for them, " your kid" " your dad"... but Din had not addressed it directly, until now. It was a big deal. A major step for him, and I can't help but think back to the conversation he had with Bo in the Mines of Mandalore about her father, and the scene with Paz and Ragnar, both having an impact on Din, making him see the importance of owning Fatherhood.

    I agree, a good eye-to-eye kill could have been satisfying for us the viewers, but then again, it would have made that a personal thing. This whole arc was based in a one-for-all-all-for-one attitude, so it was more fitting for him to die standing alone, while our heroes were huddled together safely. Excellent point, though, about it being his own ship that took him out.

    Yes, and no... It could have been cool to see Gideon clones in action, but it also could have been an absolute mess. I would have liked to have seen more of him leading up to the finale, his sudden presence on Mandalore, along with his matured clones and next-gen Darktrooper seemed like a lot to occur in a short time.
     
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    This show somehow managed to strike a balance between Grogu not being able to tie a knot w/ his own hands to driving the stagecoach across Texas to go get mommy.
     
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    I couldn't agree with you more.

    The Volume is absolutely incredible, but the technology has its limits. I think the new model is for SW Disney+ to tell stories that really take full advantage of The Volume. However, when the story arc leads to a special effects-heavy, mega-battle/space war climax, THEN they'll take the extra time and money to present it to fans as a feature film. (like Marvel did with Avengers Endgame.)

    This approach will ensure some incredible Star Wars TV while guaranteeing a triumphant return to some super-blockbuster feature films.
     
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    Yeah, I have to agree with all of this. There should be a difference in scope and scale between the TV shows and the Movies. That being said, this past season, the visuals and VFX were FAR better than previous seasons. You can definitely notice There was a good amount of tech improvements over those two years. There were several moments that were very cinematic. Flip side of that coin, though, there were also a few janky CGI shots that did not hold up on TV, much less in a theatre.
     
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    Totally Agree!
    Frankly, I was okay with those rare instances. My issue is that when you have feature film-quality cinematography and acting but a budget that forces you to limit the number of extras you can bring in and costume, your 'believability' suffers when the story calls for an all-out war (as in TBoBF:E7) or the uniting of various tribes of Mandalore (Mando:S3.) Again, they did the best that they could do with what they had but (IMO) this season of Mando would have bedazzled us all a lot more if it had been a feature film.
     
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    @MBWilson Great Post!
    I mirror most of your thoughts and feelings on the ep. Just a great finale for the season overall and stayed true to the show and franchise's core themes.

    Any specific shots that you felt didn't hold up on TV this season?

    The only one that felt CGI to me was the first Armourer tomahawk hammer slam as they classed with the new dark troopers. but it was so epic I didn't care at all.
     
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    Bet people expect death and betray but none of that. Many fights. Grogu using force to save Din and Bo from blast. Grogu on the robot didn't last long. And happy ending but did expect Grogu to speak or did have feeling showing the future like Grogu glown up.
     
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