SPECULATION The Third Order, The Knights of Ren?

I really need to be schooled on earlier drafts/ideas from the OT.

Is there an outline of thrown out ideas from each?

Between this, the saber thing from ESB, and the fact that they are using old concept art...I wonder how many of these ideas could have inspired TFA?

 

Honestly, the earlier drafts of ANH were so different from the actual film it's hard to give a real outline, especially since it went through many drafts. For example, the first draft followed Mace Windy, a Jedi-Bendu and a later draft followed a family of Starkillers: Deak, Annikin, and Kane. There was also a female Luke Skywalker.

 

Ok here is my theory for the new 7/Third Order. It is not entirely all mine and partially inspired by another members post whose name I can't remember. Here it goes. I personally like the ex red imperial guards as these mysterious seven.

First, the new Marvel canon is actively showing Palpatine trying to replace Vader and Vader increasingly involved in shadow games and political jockeying. Now if I were wanting to overthrow the emperor and I was Vader
I would convert the praetorians so to speak to my cause. With the Expanded Universe exiled to legends we know next to nothing about this group.

I could see them as the more powerful of the force sensitives under the Emperors control. A vanguard in case the inquisitors rebelled and a personal bodyguard. So it makes sense Vader would train the Royal guard and interact with them, selecting a small group for his eventual usurpation.

So they would be both fanatically loyal, capable, well placed to grab power and most of all completely anonymous. They could be anyone and everyone. Striking from outside and within. After Vader dies they carry out his plan. And who knows with the rumors of the mysterious nebula, the guards could have learned of it.

Afterall, they would have access to some of the Emperors closest secrets after he died. so Snoke could either be the leader of the seven and an ex Guardsmen or the pot at gold at the end of the rainbow when they fled to the nebulae. In this scenario they are not Sith but something new. Almost a darkside version of Isis or the SS.

Well that is it. Go easy on me because I just had a heart attack last week, literally. I'm just trying to come up with something new and being a graduate student in Roman history I know well the role of the Praetorians in the bid for power and controlling of said power.

 

So Ren is the title not Kylo. Could the the Knights of Ren be the Seven?

My theory: The Knights of Ren attack Luke's school for new jedi. Kylo is a student and Joins them, eventually becoming the second in command behind Snoke

 

Link to the article you are referring to please?

 

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/08/12/star-wars-force-awakens-kylo-ren

To add to what i said earlier I believe this gets rid of the Rey and Ren brother sister thing HOWEVER I think this make Kylo Han and Leia's kid. sKYwalker soLO

 

Doesn't really end the Rey/Kylo debate. It never will!!!! It just means Kira is less likely.

 

And says it's not his real name. And isn't Rey supposed to be an alias too?

 

I haven't heard or seen anything that says Rey is an alias except for speculation. All the merchandise has Rey. I think instead they are hiding Rey's last name only and Rey is her first name.

I'm not saying KYLO is his real name I'm saying it the name he created when he join the Knights of Ren, A combination of his parents last names and a subtle link to Vader aka Anakin Skywalker.

 

I was not a big believer in the Jedi Academy (I still believe Rey has no formal Jedi training). However, now I believe in the Academy a bit more.


"The Knights of Ren" are likely "The Seven" and destroyed the Jedi Academy. Could they have all been Luke's apprentices? We are thinking "Knights" has a medieval meaning. However, being its Star Wars, this could also be referring to them as Knights in the conventional Jedi Knight sense. Perhaps, as some have speculated, there are a group of Dark Jedi/Siths out there continuing the dark traditions of the Sith.

 

I suspect the Knights of Ren are the Seven we heard about also. I think the attack is where Kylo joins up too. As far as where they come from I would be willing to be the inclusion of the Inquisitors on Rebels were our clue. Snoke is a former Inquisitor or the entire Seven are and Snoke is their leader. Calling themselves Knights of Ren because its a planet or Ren was a designation given by the old empire or even the OLD republic or sith from KOTOR days hence why Kylo uses a Revan like mask.

 

Knights of the Ren. Hope that that confirms Kylo is not a SIth. Looks like we got new players in town.

 

I really don't want this to be the case (I hate the Inquisitors).

But to an extent it actually does not work. The article (at least one of them) states that Kylo was born after the demise of Darth Vader. So if he's part of the Seven, he's too young to be an Inquisitor.

Snoke could. But that idea is just lame to me (But I respect if you or others enjoy it).

 

Its just an idea.. Honestly I think after the rebels series is over the Inquisitors will have been eliminated. I suspect the Knights of Ren were a creation of the Emperor as a contingency plan for Vader failing. I think more the Inquisitors are a clue as to how the Emperor uses force uses but if the Knights of Ren started off as Inquisitors then I wouldn't be surprised.

I'm not saying Kyo was an inquisitor or an orginal member of the the Knights. Kylo doesn't join them until after they've attacked Luke's academy.

 

I did think about that a while back. That the way the "flashback" was described, Kylo is maybe not with the seven until his clan comes under attack, and he decides he's rather be with the seven than against them... Like "These guys are cool, I want to join them... bye"

 

I hate to be that guy, but I wonder if there is a RevEN connection here... There is at least space for a retcon connection between Reven and this organization.

I feel like the "Knights of Ren" are probably going to at least have a retconned connection tothe Inquisitors. MAybe this is how the inquisitors reformed and rebranded themselves after the fall of the empire?

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Ren confirmed.

 

I think its more of a I'm not getting the attention I deserve I'm better than these other people I am Luke's nephew Leia and Han's son, Anakin Grandson. I should be the best and be treated like it. Then when the attack happens Kylo starts off defending and uses anger and Snoke converts him? Something like that maybe. I'm just spitballing here.