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Will Ben Solo be Redeemed?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Adam812, Sep 19, 2018.

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WIll Ben Solo be redeemed in Episode IX?

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  1. Adam812

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    Exactly. This is why I find Kylo Ren so interesting. I think Kylo Ren realized that he can’t live up to Vader when he smashed his mask. I think we’ll see a very different Kylo Ren in Episode 9.
     
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    Well we saw a Kylo in TLJ who surpassed Vader. He does not have the same dark confidence of Vader but he has accomplished what Vader failed to do. He killed his master and rules the Galaxy. Vader's turn to the dark hinged on his Fear. He feared losing those he loved. So he sold his soul to save them. Kylo and his turn is anger, anger that he doesn't have what he deserves, his family failed him, his parents shipped him off because of his dark nature and his uncle saw the darkness in him which cemented his rejection.

    He isn't going to a well adjusted majestic villain like Vader he is a tempest of unpredictable fury.
     
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    An excellent description of the character of Kylo Ren.
    He clearly isn't anything like his infamous grandfather, and I couldn't be more happier.
    Vader is a character who is irreplaceable even by his own offspring, so it shouldn't even be tried.

    I'm glad that Kylo Ren is instead becoming his own character.
    In some ways he surpassed Darth Vader, but he is also lacking in some things.
    Kylo Ren is still in doubt of the things he does, he knows it's not right.....but in order to get what he wants (universal domination) he is willing to make sacrifices, he has much more of a rebel in him then Vader ever had.
    Vader was always 100% sure about himself when he joined the dark side, that gave him his strength, but he never dared to rebel against the emperor until the end.

    Vader is more skilled, Kylo Ren is more powerful in the force.
    Vader was much more self assured and thus way more arrogant in his beliefs, Kylo Ren brims with insecurity and seems to have a meeker character.

    Thus far, Ren's unpredictable character fascinates me more then Vaders stagnant personality ever had.
     
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    Some will hate me for this, but IMO Vader was never that great of a character. Of course you have to look at it in the perspective of time. But today a villain like Vader wouldn't work anymore.

    Kylo Ren had more of a character development in two movies than Vader in six (+ Rogue One/Rebels).
     
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    I a way you're right about that, from the moment Anakin Skywalker became Darth Vader he never so much as changed.
    He never doubted or regretted his past actions and shows no own initiative and growth personality wise. (until Luke)
    He was a slave to Palpatine, a powerful imposing slave yes...but a slave nonetheless.

    Kylo Ren showed that he still had his own mind by killing his master, he was also a slave to Snoke but never quite as obedient as Vader was to Palpatine.
    The fact that he shows much more own initiative makes him a more interesting character in my eyes.
     
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    I don't know whether he will be redeemed. Which is amazing. I would rather him be redeemed that way Han's death would not be in vain but I can see the logic in having him continue his self inflicted destructive path until the end. It would be a depressing end to the Skywalker line but it is not like they were the most happy go lucky group to being with. In the end I think I Han was wrong. I do not think Kylo has enough Vader in him to be redeemed.
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    Han Solo did not die in vain period. His death was a risk he took to save his son. Whether or not Kylo comes to the light Han did not die in vain. 1- We saw the most jaded cynic in the galaxy go from self serving to self sacrificing. 2- Trying to save someone and failing aren't actions done in vain.
     
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    speaking for myself, i just want Han's hopes to be realized. that would be the most fulfilling ending for me for both their stories.
    it's not that Han just threw his life away, but that ultimately sacrificing himself becomes part of what will bring Ben back.

    if Rey is the hero of this story and if the theme of this story is to save what you love, saving Ben is going to be what brings balance.
    both Han and Luke understood that and she will too. not because of some romantic attachment (sorry Reylo crowd), but because it's the right thing to do.
     
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    Actually to prevent being called a rehash of rotj I only see 3 options
    Ben is redeemed and survives, Ben dies as a villain or dark side wins and Kylo survives.
     
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    What i hope most is that that horrid word 'rehash" is never used again. So much venom contained in just two syllables... :eek:
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    I don't know why I'm starting to suspect a "carbonite" ending for Rey... or Ben... Why do I feel JJ is going to leave this trilogy kinda open?

    In many ways, I hope he does. :D
     
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    I Don’t Think So, I Think He Made His Choice At The End Of The Last Jedi To Stay On The Dark Side
     
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    Life and literature are filled with people who change their mind.
     
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    No he will never be redeemed. He helped wipe out five planets and murdered his own father. No matter what he does, he'll never be redeemed.
     
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    Vader was responsible for just as much carnage and he ended up being redeemed.
     
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    The way I read mistercrabs’ post, I think he might be saying something like, “Even if Ben commits a sacrifice and/or returns to the light, I personally can never forgive him or feel compassion for him.”

    If so, I’m inclined to agree.
     
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    Rey will join him on Darkside to save him. PT ended with Darkside win, OT ended with Light Side win. It is Darkside turn unless they intend to end SW Saga forever. Bad money move.
     
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    But that's not the point. Not we have to forgive him, but the characters in the story. If Rey, Han, Leia, Luke etc. can forgive Kylo Ren, then we'll have to accept it.

    PT => dark side wins
    OT => light side wind
    ST => balance wins
     
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    Do they need to forgive him or do they just need to show grace or is it even the same?
    I'm afraid to ask, but what is a light side wind? Does it smell?
     
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    As I see it, Ben/Kylo's fate in Ep.IX is completely open, and that's a pretty marvelous thing, really. It can go any which way and it will all be interesting and cool. The only thing I'm concerned about is that once SW9 is out the fans will descend into a new poop fest arguing/complaining over the end of Ben's arc. If we agree that there are 3 possible broadstrokes endings (i.e. Ben being redeemed, Ben staying bad and is defeated, and Ben staying bad and winning), we will have one group of fans who are happy and two groups who constructs for themselves new reasons to hate KK/LFL/Disney/ST/whatever. #NotMyKylo

    I hope I'm wrong, however.

    My personal guess is that we'll get a bittersweet ending with Ben being redeemed at death's door only to sacrifice himself for goodness, but who knows?
     
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    IMO there a FOUR endings.

    1) Kylo Ren redeemed and surviving
    2) Kylo Ren redeemed and dying
    3) Kylo Ren dying as villain
    4) Kylo Ren living on as villain

    It would kinda interesting if we get a bittersweet ending without knowing wether he's or was redeemed or not.
     
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