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A new Jedi will rise-Not about Jedi quantity?

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by Qui Gons Gin, Jul 26, 2017.

  1. Qui Gons Gin

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    I watched TFA again last night for the millionth time and something struck me. Specifically the scene where Snoke says if Luke is found "A new Jedi will rise". There has been much discussion that this sentence is about the quantity of Jedi since the next films title implies there is only one left. What if this assumption is wrong from the outset? What if instead of talking about "more" he means "different".

    I postulate that when Snoke says a NEW Jedi will rise, he means a new kind of Jedi. This also fits nicely with the line from Luke in the trailer where he says the Jedi must end. Perhaps the Jedi must end so the new (different) Jedi can be created and RISE from the ashes of the old Jedi and their beliefs.

    I think in the long run this would be a good decision for Disney as it will keep Star Wars and its key components fresh for many new generations to come.

    Disclaimer: I did find https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet.com/index.php?threads/the-new-jedi-will-rise.12116/ but this seemed to be more about the line meaning the quantity and not the essence of the Jedi. If this is to similar to the linked thread, let the Force do what it must :D

    First thread (yoda)
     
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    Congrats on the first thread!

    Interestingly enough, my first interpretation of the line was that Snoke was talking about a reformation of the order, and not a single Jedi assuming power.

    In fact, this is the first time that I've really considered the possibility that it could refer specifically to one person.

    Interesting!
     
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    Thanks :) The whole tone and inflection that Snoke used when speaking that line just felt...I don't know...Like he meant more of a philosophical meaning to his words than literal. I also thought I detected the slightest hint of fear when he spoke those words as well. Thats how I took it at least.
     
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    I took it as a new Jedi Order also, like he feared the reformation.
     
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    I think what you said is a fair assumption. What i think will happen is that after Ben destroyed Luke's order he became disillusioned by the fact that he tried to rebuild the Jedi only for it to fail. This will lead him on his path to discover the origin of the Jedi and he would come to realize that while the Jedi were noble they had lost their way. Stuff like being a peacekeeping organization but becoming generals in war. This will eventually lead Luke to reform the Jedi with Rey (and Finn if they go that route, possibly Maz as well) under the ideals of the Jedi not the actions of them, maybe through the guidance of Obi Wan and Yoda. So the general broad strokes of the Jedi like use of the force to help others, being peacekeepers not generals, and the use of the light side. So we will see the Jedi a little bit more like Obi Wan and Qui Gonn in Phantom Menace where they were mostly defensive for as long as they could until they were forced to really fight.
     
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    Snoke was talking about the Jedi as a whole and not just a singular one. Snoke says ''The'' new Jedi will rise not ''A'' new Jedi will rise.
     
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    Im wondering if Luke wont direct this new order to conform more to what the old Je'daii practiced and followed.
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    Are you sure about that? Im not anywhere I can replay that scene right now but I'll recheck as soon as I can. I remember the line as A and not The.
     
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    Here you go Qui Gons Gin:
     
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    Sure enough. Mea Culpa. That still sounds to me like he is talking about a new kind of Jedi though.
     
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    Oh yes to that I can agree as Snoke must be perfectly aware of what kind of Jedi Luke would bring even if we are not talking about a singular being. Keep in mind that Snoke is an ancient being who was around when the old Jedi Order was active. He knew about the Jedi from those days and was well aware of their flaws. Once Snoke got his hands on Kylo Ren, Ren must have told him everything about how Luke was training his students. Snoke must have been made aware of how different these new Jedi would be as Luke would not seek to have his order have the same flaws as the Jedi of the old. This would make Luke's Jedi much more dangerous to Snoke and he knew that if he were to succeed he would need to wipe out this new Jedi order and he had to do it fast. This is why Luke is such a threat to him.
     
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    The plural of Jedi is Jedi........
     
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    Yes, I know that. But the title still implies, key word here, implies that there is only one or a handful left. Or if you prefer, I inferred it from the titles wording. Either way, there is no denying that it is hinting at the last Jedi, meaning end of due to limited and dwindling numbers. I wont squabble over the number as it doesn't matter.
     
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    Either way whether if he is referring to a Jedi or a group of Jedi it's another indicator that the title is mostly just intended to be mysterious and drama provoking among fans. The reason Snoke wants to snuff out Luke is because as of that moment, Luke is the last Jedi. At the beginning of TLJ he will still be the last Jedi. The line "its time for the Jedi to end" can easily be a cut from and entire line of him saying something to Rey about the past like "After the destruction of the new Jedi academy I decided its time for the Jedi to end." :) I think Snoke said it this way purposely so it could be interpreted either way. If Luke is the last Jedi and then trains another there is 2 now so it is a group (a new combo that has never existed before rising to defeat them). If Luke dies Rey is still a new Jedi rising to defeat them.
     
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    Frustratingly enough, both " A new Jedi will rise" and "The new Jedi will rise" can refer to both the singular and the plural. The writers knew exactly what they were doing. :p

    I do think that Luke has discovered that the Jedi as an order are flawed- and while I don't think he necessarily wants to abandon the Force (or even the light side) entirely, I think he believes a major reformation would be necessary balance to be maintained.

    Now, I'm not sure he won't change his mind at some point, but he's not totally wrong. The prequel Jedi was a bit of a hypocritical boy's club (in a matter of speaking) and clearly his new order didn't fare well. Perhaps change is necessary.
     
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    Something els that sticks with me is where Snoke tells Hux to bring Kylo to him to "complete his training". Doesn't that imply that Snoke has mastery over the force? Wouldn't he have to if he is completing Kylo's training? So with this bit of speculation, if he is indeed strong with the Force and a Master of manipulating it, he may also has the ability to have Forceback visions and see what could happen if Luke creates a new Jedi.
     
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    Snoke's worries about Jedi tells he sees them as an old enemy.And Jedi had one old enemy,Sith.
    Latest rumor is Snoke's throne room holds many Sith artifacts.
    Indeed mr. Snoke is unusual " non Sith".
     
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    It sure does throws a whole wrench into the "Snoke is not related to the Sith" claim.
     
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    I realy can't wait to se where does Snoke's power came. 25 000 years of Sith tradition ends 30 years ago and than.whaam..here is mr.Snoke.If recent rumor is right he is even more fearsome than Palpatine.
     
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    And he never said Luke but Skywalker.
     
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    Thats true, but the only Skywalkers left are Luke and Leia. We know what Leia has been up to.
     
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