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SPECULATION A Tragic Fall?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Bluestreaking, Jan 15, 2015.

  1. Bluestreaking

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    So as I once again listened to my beloved "Battle of the Heroes" I thought of how fantastic a title that was. On first glance some people might assume it refers to Obi-Wan and Yoda battling the Sith to try and save the Republic. But the real meaning, to me at least, has always been a battle between two heroes of the Republic Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker. If we didn't already know the end of the story it would be the highlight of a tragic fall from grace of the Chosen One

    So it led me thinking, the ST now has a perfect opportunity to give us a true out of the blue tragic fall. Someone we saw develop as a hero fall to the dark side in front of our eyes. I know some people think Driver will have this but I think the plotline of Kylo Ren is one of evil seeking evil and not of a tragic fall. I still hold on to a slim hope that Gleeson is the tragic hero I have envisioned but with virtually no news about him it's hard to stick by that.

    So thoughts, feelings, and wild speculations on a tragic fall of a hero, doesn't have to take place in VII I suppose but it would at least have to set the stage. A traumatic event such as Luke killing Han would be such a spark
     
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    I agree! Now is a good time to really make something tragic happen.

    There's a part of me that wants the ST to be the "flip-side" of the OT. Cool good things happen in Episode 7, more cool stuff happens in Episode 8 BUT instead of the ESB plot where Luke is tempted by the Dark Side but resists it, one of the new heroes ACTUALLY falls to the Dark Side. And then Episode 9 can be whatever the heck they want to be and tie up the story (as long as it's good of course).

    Not that that's exactly how I won't the story to go, but I think it works well enough. In theory...
     
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    First it's a DISNEY film. ;)
    It's not going to be too dark or depressing.
    I think the tone or content may be part of why David Arnt was cut from the film in the early stages.
    There may be a lead actor(young) who becomes misguided or strays to the dark side then gets killed.
    Maybe by Luke but more than likely Kylo Ren(Driver).
     
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    Don't let the company that pulls the strings fool you, Disney can go dark if it wants to, besides think of this like Marvel. We've heard some rumors coming out that this film is gonna be Episode III/V levels of dark if not moreso

    Arndt was cut because he wanted to focus on the next generation while Kasdan and Abrams wanted to give one last ride for the original trio.

    Why would Kylo Ren be killing our dark side fellow? I know all evil isn't on the same team but still
     
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    Seriously people, cut it out with the Disney nonsense. Disney movies are depressing all the time (Up, The Lion King, Finding Nemo etc.) Also Lucasfilm is still its own operating company Disney just owns it exactly like Marvel and Pixar. Marvel movies are dark. So too will be Star Wars. This Disney crap really needs to stop its ignorant and incorrectly shades preconceptions about the new trilogy. Just like that nonsense singing in TFA thread.
     
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    I share the same thoughts as you. Star Wars has always been about the heroes and the allure of the Dark Side.

    From what I've heard about the possible "grayness" of the movie, in which the Empire isn't necessarily all evil and the Alliance/Republic isn't all good like we thought it was... it would be neat to see a hero turn dark doing what he generally thought was best for everyone, and particularly the "good" thing to do.

    I understand that I mirror Anakin/Vader's fall (and I think the story of Jacen/Caedus to a very loose extent - I never read it but know about it to some degree)... but I feel that aspect in Anakin's fall wasn't handled quite as well. His views that a strong despot capable of stopping war at the cost of stripping people of freedoms was overshadowed by the threat of losing loved ones in his eventual fall to the Dark Side. Let's see someone take control and do bad stuff "for the greater good" not because they're being manipulated by a mentor, but because in their heart it seems the correct path to follow in order to bring peace.

    Imagine if Anakin had committed his actions without the egging on/help from Palpatine. Without Order 66 to wipe out opposition. All for the original aim of bringing peace to the galaxy.
     
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    The Prequels are essentially a story about someone good falling to evil.

    The Original Trilogy is about that redemption.

    So - story wise - where does it go from here. I don't think these stories are going to be about 'a fall to good/evil' or 'redemption', but moving on after redemption. Think about it - if Vader lived after his redemption, how would of things been? How would he atone for his evil? How would people view him? Would Mon Mothma invite him over for dinner knowing him as her former adversary? And, more importantly, would Vader continue to walk the path of good?

    Think of it in terms of drug or alcohol addiction - this would be after they have sobered up.....will they stay sober?
     
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    Your thought about that does bring up some speculation I heard a while ago -- That Luke has "been missing" for decades because he's put out of society, due to a stigma against Force-users. I just bring that up to add to your comment, as the aftermath involves not just the person themselves, but all those who had been affected by them.

    Also, wonderful username. I had to do a double-take at how witty it is. :p
     
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    I could see this:

    Episode VII: Our hero falls to the darkside over the course of the film with a pivotal ultimatum moment that makes him turn.
    Episode VIII: Our now Villain is trained to use the Darkside of the force with much power from the Yoda of the Darkside (Plagueis???). Eventually confronts the heros and fails epically. Almost dies but survives to become more powerful.
    Episode IX: We have a Sith Lord who will do whatever possible to stop our heros.
     
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    This kind of Tragic Fall?
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