SPECULATION An issue of scale?

The scale in the sequel trilogy is fluid. The films make sure to focus on settings, which helps story and character development

 

I agree I could use a little more background on the Republic/First Order. At the end of ROTJ we have what appears to be the end of the Empire...but then we're told the First Order took their place and is fighting the New Republic & that's about it. Basically nothing changed in 30 years but the names. I'm not asking for PT level politics, but a little bit of it wouldn't hurt

Edit: I also agree that I'd like to see a little more tie in from the PT. Show us Coruscant or Naboo or something

 

I think Hollywood in general is learning that scale doesn't matter if you don't have solid character and plot. See BvS and Justice League. I'd take a movie like TLJ any day, with its complex theme and characters, than a movie of great scale without those things.

 

I don't really want to see montages of The First Order taking over things or political discussions. You follow the events from the perspective of our heroes. If they don't see it, you don't see it. Perhaps even better is that imagining this 'larger world' is for me infinitely more satisfying than actually seeing it. Further, the director wanted to create the feeling for the resistance and our heroes that they truly are "alone" up against an immense military machine.

 

The sequel trilogy gives focus. The OT doesn't. Instead of giving proper attention to Luke's time in Palpatine's throne room, the movie relentlessly goes back to Endor and becomes boring

 

Return of the Jedi is nowhere near as good as the sequel trilogy, because Return has no metaphor whereas the sequel trilogy has lots and lots of metaphor

 

Yes, in fact that is apparently all we have left. I get the very strong impression that civilization in a GFFA has been in decline since the burning of the Jedi Temple on Coruscant and the rise of the Empire.

Remember, in ANH Obi-Wan said the lightsaber was "..an elegant weapon, for a more civilized age". So from the start we knew there had been a mythic, glorious past. Then the PT took us back to see that past- and it was glorious, but riddled with cracks that would eventually bring it all down.

It's like western civilization after the fall of the Roman Empire- which did not happen all at once, either, but gradually faded away over a few hundred years of instability where sometimes it would be stronger, and sometimes weaker.

Neither side in this fight is all that strong. That's what happens when a society collapses.

If they did show us more of the universe, a lot of it would look like Jakku. So it's no coincidence that's where the ST started.

 

Yep. The ST really isn't all that epic. Yeah, 'bigger' ships and vehicles, per se, but they are just variations of previously seen stuff. Everything seems so minute and insignificant. We get a variety of humans running around, but we don't get a wealth of other various other life forms helping move things along insofar as to how those civilizations relate to the galactic struggle with FO. There is really not a sense of place. The Resistance is just being shuffled from one barren planet to the next.

Whatever you may say or think about the prequels and the Clone Wars, Lucas gave us quite an expansive visionary scope.

Disney/Kennedy/Abrams really dropped the ball, imo. They think that the OT aesthetic being applied to the ST will save the day. Sorry, that doesn't cut it for me. There was so many opportunities to give us some truly extraordinary things in the ST. But everything is scaled back, poorly imagined, and too damn bland. Too bad.

 

I think the most clear representation of the reduced scale in the ST is the crippling of the New republic by just destroying the Hosnian system.
We know the New Republic is supposed to be smaller in size than it's former self or the empire and it's military size reduced by 90%. But are we to believe a "galactic republic" is just that small?

 

The OT treats the audience like children, not to mention slyly promoting right-wing propaganda

 

You know. Star Wars is similar to politics in the fact that people will find arguments to back up whatever their claim while putting down the opinions others.

Having an opinion doesn't mean that the other person's opinion is wrong.

I appreciate the smaller scale of the ST. Showing a bunch of planets and creatures just for the sake of it isn't world building to me. World building is showing us a location, having us understand it, spend time there. (The building part.) Rather than hopping all over the galaxy. I can tell you more about OT planets and ST planets than I can most of the PT worlds.

Lucas used show and spectacle to compensate for a thinner plot/script in the PT. That's fine. Star Wars is allowed to be that too. The story the ST is telling doesn't need to go all over the galaxy to new worlds, it doesn't serve the story. I think people get hung up on personal wants and forget that story dictates so much of those kinds of details.

 

Can you give examples on this alleged propaganda?

 

Care to elaborate with examples? I honestly don't see that at all.

 

Leia's story is about yielding to patriarchy, and patriarchy is the antithesis of spirituality. And Lando is the only coloured human character in the film who is conveniently depicted as a traitor

 

I dont see how Leia yields to anything. Leia is a strong character and leader

 

Falling in love and yielding to the patriarchy are very different things.
Patriarchy is not the antithesis of spirituality.
Lando had no choice the empire arrived before Han and he was protecting his citizens, he made up for his mistakes and later became the most influential person in wining the battle of Endor.