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Andor: a Plainspoken Drama Minus Force Mysticism

Discussion in 'General TV Series Discussion' started by jan blakstar, Feb 9, 2023.

  1. DeeRush

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    Anyone who doesn't agree with the popular view is being singled out or bullied. I'm not the only one who has complained about this. Why pretend otherwise?
     
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    It's not the opinion, it's the incessant confrontational manner of your posts, and the unnecessary defensive attitude and need to portray yourself as the victim.

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    Differences of opinion on a fan site are a GOOD thing for a site like this one -- they often lead to fun and entertaining discussions.

    The only time they become problematic is when posters feel they alone have some sort of corner on the truth and therefore contrary opinions are taken as a personal affront. Star Wars, by its very nature, is subjective.
     
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    I'm just too disgusted for words. All I did was state that I liked "Andor", but I didn't love it. I also revealed what I believed were flaws in the series. With those statements, I had encountered a flurry of posts either trying to get me to change my mind or insult my intelligence for harboring such an opinion. And when I complained about it, I end up being accused of confrontational behavior. I won't leave this message board. But I deeply suspect that sooner or later, I will be banned from it. And I won't be surprised.
     
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    With what I wrote?

    Take a moment and reread Bart's blackboard above.
     
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    We're done here with this business, anything not pertinent to the ANDOR discussion at hand will be deleted.

    Please message any of the 1030th or Staff with any other concerns.
    Thanks.
     
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  7. jan blakstar

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    As at least one person has noted above, the real proof in the pudding is going to be the second season. There, we'll see the realization of ideas and the introduction of new elements, and we'll see how the further fruition of the tale and its elements proves how solid the whole storytelling of Andor truly is.
     
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    I agree with everything you said except for the comment about the second season. I take the tone of this particular point as kind of "dubious", like "yeah Andor was good but can't wait to see it fail in the 2nd season".
     
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    Well, as one of the biggest Andor fanatics on here, I will say that I think there is a lot to discuss and debate about the series, even more so than most other SW series. It is unlike anything else we have seen in so many ways. Personally, I think that with the volume of material we are getting, there is room for some out-of-the-box storytelling and new "feels". We are dealing with a massive Galaxy. Even within established storylines and events, as with Andor, the lack of Mysticism and such, only makes it feel even more special and Mystical when it does show up.

    As far as Andor Season 2, I just don't see it the same way as I do, say, Mando Season 3, or 4 or beyond... Firstly, we know where we are going to end up, for the most part. Secondly, it seems to be that there was a rough draft or at least an outline of the entire series from the very start. They don't seem to be the type that finished Season 1, then sat in a writer's room and said, ok, what now? I'm anxious to see more of "How" they do the story as to "What" they do. When all is said and done, I truly believe it's going to feel and look more like one 24-episode season as opposed to two separate productions.
     
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    George Lucas said from nearly the beginning of it all that there had been a basic story treatment of nine episodes drawn up before he selected part four of all of those to make the most potentially profitable first SW movie. It's not the first time. It also wouldn't be too hard to draw up an essential complete storyline as a treatment considering we know, as you point out, that Cassian Andor is, ultimately, doomed. What makes us interested is the same thing that made us interested to see the battle between Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker on Mustafar: dramatic irony. We know the outcome, but how does it all arrive there? If they make another season of Kenobi, we should see what Old Ben is doing out in the Jundland wastes when he happens upon the situation with Luke, the speeder and the droids and the Sandpeople. The filling in of the rest of the story is interesting in itself, and this kind of storytelling is old hat with Star Wars.
     
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    No offense but I think this view is unduly suspicious and smacks of resentment at the sense of PG having a perceived enhanced status of official super fan. It's symptomatic of fans varying notions of ownership. And how he seemingly stymies fans attempts to impose their takes on lore.

    Why should he be expected to appease or placate fans wishes and endorse their definitions of what can/can't or should/shouldn't happen.

    It's not arrogance. That's just a petty, petulant reaction.
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    George never said he had a treatment for nine episodes and selected the fourth one. He had a script and found that the story elements that were most suitable for turning into a movie occurred in the middle of his treatment, leaving a back story as well as a continuing one still to be told and make more movies about l. Even after Star Wars was released, the next movie was conceived as "Star Wars II" and not the fifth part of his original treatment. It was only after deciding to combine Vader with Luke's dead father that Lucas found it necessary to make the backstory a prequel trilogy.
     
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    This happened somewhat in the Star Trek community at the turn of the 1990's, where people resented Brannon Braga for coming in as a replacement for Roddenberry with next to no 'time in' as a writer or other contributor. I remember this from a conversation I had with a college buddy who was also a Trekkie and had a large resentment of Braga on this very point. Don't know what the exact story is.
     
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