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Are the Film Novelizations Canon?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Books & Comics + Legends' started by LastJediKnight7, Jan 8, 2016.

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    Regarding the original adult novelization for all seven of the Star Wars films, are they considered Canon? I know they have many differences from the films such as additional scenes but sometimes are inconsistent with their movies. So what's the deal?
     
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    Novelizations for previous films are not canon. TFA's novelization is canon except the parts where it differs with the movie.
     
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    That's right, although additional info presented in the novel is also canon.

    It's confusing.
     
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    The way I look, all SW material that's published after may 2014 is canon except video games, Legends brand and any story parts that differ with the movies.
     
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    Literally anything you read that comes from LFL is Canon, EVERY. LAST. WORD.
     
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    I feel like new scenes present in TFA novel are Canon as long as they do not contradict the Film. Why wouldn't they be Canon?
     
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    They're canon. I didn't say otherwise. Only the parts where it differs with the movies are not canon. A member of Lucasfilm Story Group's explanation for it was TFA novelization - like previous novelizations - was written before the movie was finalized so the movie ends up as the final version with possible changes in some scenes. However, not contradicting additional material in the novelization is canon.
     
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    That's exactly right. In the novel, Kylo slashes Finn on the chest, in the movie - back. The latter is canon. But, if the scene exists in the novel and doesn't contradict the movie - it's canon.
     
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    Oh okay thanks guys! So does the same apply for the OT and PT novelization s?
     
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    No. They're not canon.
     
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    I currently have an unanswered tweet sitting out there concerning the matter of the additional scenes in the PT and OT novels and whether or not they are considered canon that I sent recently to Pablo Hidalgo. I'm pretty sure that those books are only canon where they match the movie exactly (which would exclude the additional tidbits from canon as well). However, this has been a gray area that I wish would be explicitly cleared up with a statement from the LFL storygroup. It's still unclear whether or not the extra material offered by the novels is canon. Obviously, if it contradicts what is on screen in the blu ray versions of the films, it is not canon - but what about the additional scenes that don't directly contradict the movies? Whereas, like I said, I believe a line was drawn in the sand in April of 2014 that affects the canonical value of those extra tidbits, it's still never been cleared up for sure. Hopefully, I will get an answer on this soon. He has responded to some of my tweets in the past, so we'll see.
     
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    While Lucasfilm always strived to keep the stories created for the EU consistent with our film and television content as well as internally consistent, Lucas always made it clear that he was not beholden to the EU. He set the films he created as the canon. This includes the six Star Wars episodes, and the many hours of content he developed and produced in Star Wars: The Clone Wars. These stories are the immovable objects of Star Wars history, the characters and events to which all other tales must align.

    Now, with an exciting future filled with new cinematic installments of Star Wars, all aspects of Star Wars storytelling moving forward will be connected. Under Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy’s direction, the company for the first time ever has formed a story group to oversee and coordinate all Star Wars creative development.
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    If official Disney annoucement is not clear enough; let me clarify that for you.

     
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    Thanks for sharing that info. I had read that before but I had forgotten how it read exactly and couldn't find it the other day for some reason. It's clear that the novels are not canon, but I was curious if they had considered pulling some of the additional bits that are in the novels that don't contradict the film into the canon. I hadn't seen that tweet before, so that clears up the issue even more. It seems as if they have written off the novels altogether. It is interesting though that they continue to print the novels, now in two different collections - a PT volume and an OT volume - and do not include the Legends banner on the cover. But they have also reprinted hardcovers of the original Marvel comics as well (which are not canon). I know they did the junior novelizations last year of the OT stories, and that those are canon, but I wonder if they have considered writing adult novelizations of the previous films that are canon, to go with the canon novelizations of the new trilogy. Ultimately it doesn't matter, and if you're following the news and read up on canon, it's not really that confusing as to what is canon and what is not, but it might be a good idea for LFL discontinue the printing of the original novels (unless they have the legends banner) and print new versions that are in line with the new canon. I think this would help avoid further confusion on the topic.
     
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    Yes but if a conflict, film over book.
     
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    So here's a rundown of what I remember from the book that isn't in the movie.....so it is canon:

    Poe's escape from Jakku
    Unkar going to Maz's Castle and then getting his arm ripped off by chewie
    Finn and Rey stealing a speeder on Starkiller base
    Poe and Rey meeting at the resistance base

    I'm sure I'm missing some, but those are the major ones that I can remember
     
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    These parts makes it seem like they're just filling in the blanks .
     
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    Which is kind of the point with the novelization. Some/most of these will even be deleted scenes.....I so hope we see Chewie removing Unkar's arm!
     
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    Was it even filmed ?
     
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    I think I remember seeing that it was....but I could just be willing myself to remember that! The speeder on Starkiller definitely was! Before Finn and Rey make it up to where Han dies, Rey was wearing Finns jacket as they got off the speeder, then when they walk in the door, Finn has his jacket back on!
     
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    I think a lot of these scenes were actually filmed, so I think they are Canon.
     
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