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Before The Last Jedi

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Rayjefury, Jan 2, 2018.

  1. Rayjefury

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    Anyone else from this Forum remember this:



    Remember when we talked about how there likely wasn't any truth that the title reflected what would happen in the movie? Looks like it was pretty accurate in retrospect.

    Does anyone recall any other tidbit prior to TLJ that turned out to be:

    1. Really accurate or
    2. Completely off the mark?
     
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    Where is this title from?
     
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    I don't know exactly. When it first emerged, it was almost universally called a hoax on this very forum; no one (including yours truly) believed it was the real title or that it represented in any way what would happen in the next movie.
     
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    Completly off the mark, Rian stated the title was in his head from the start.
     
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    The Resistance didn't fall.
     
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    Are you serious right now?
     
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    Yes. The Resistance survived.
     
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    These aren't mutually exclusive. They fell, and they survived. But they most assuredly did fall

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fall

    to suffer ruin, defeat, or failure
     
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    They weren't ruined. They weren't defeated. They didn't fail.
    They were chased, pinned down and escaped - and now live on.
    If they had "fallen" then that would mean they were no more...unless it was called the Fall and Rise of the Resistance. Not as catchy though.
     
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    If you begin with a small fleet, and end with everyone fitting on the Falcon, isn't that the definition of a fall?
     
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    Semantics aside, I can only assume that he meant that he fully expected for there to be "no more Resistance", and there is still "some Resistance" now. So, depending on your definition of the word, I guess they didn't totally fall.

    To be honest, on that note I was actually surprised at how bad a beating the Resistance took.
     
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    No. A definition of a fall would be for the Resistance to crushed and Chewie left alone on the Falcon stewing Porgs.
     
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    They didn't fail at any point in this movie? They didn't suffer defeat? Their fleet wasn't ruined? Their base wasn't destroyed? "Fall" seems a pretty reasonable and accurate description of what happened here. I'm not sure why you're willing to die on this semantics hill.
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    It feels like "hair splitting" to me. I mean by this standard, the Empire didn't fall either. Neither did the Old Republic.
     
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    Well maybe we can say the resistance was transformed since Luke is calling it the rebellion now:

    The Resistance is dead.
    The war is over.
    And when I kill you,
    I will have killed
    the last Jedi.

    Amazing.
    Every word
    of what you just said
    was wrong.
    The Rebellion is reborn today.
    The war
    is just beginning.


    Also Rey:

    I felt it, too.
    How do we build a Rebellion
    from this?
    We have everything we need.
     
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    But the plot of the movie isn't about them falling, it's about them surviving. To quote a certain Jedi, "Amazing! Every word of what you just said is wrong. The Rebellion is reborn today. The war is just beginning."
     
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    The funny thing is, for me this thread wasn't even going to be a forensic examination of semantics but really just about what pieces of information that we acquired before the movie turned out to be accurate or totally inaccurate. And instead I feel like we're engaging in Jesuitic word quibbling over something that seems like a foregone conclusion. The Resistance fell. I gave the definition and we're still debating LOL.

    It will be interesting to see if they refer to themselves as Resistance or Rebels going forward given that we heard the term "Rebel scum" resurrected in this movie.
     
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    I mean, that's fine. I'm just saying, this person is saying that their expectation of what would happen didn't come to pass. I don't think we need to get caught up on the wording of it.

    ANYWHO...

    I think a lot of what I expected did not come to pass. Probably chief amongst them is how Luke was treated in the final scenes. Totally different than I thought. Though, now that I've had time to process it, I not only can accept it, but I think it was the best thing they could have done for the character. It truly does respect his arc from the original trilogy.

    That being said, I think I pretty much figured he'd be reluctant to teach Rey the whole time. That, and I really wasn't too surprised that he was partly responsible for the destruction of the Jedi academy. Both of those seemed pretty obvious to me.
     
    #17 cawatrooper, Jan 3, 2018
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