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SPECULATION Can you turn from the dark side to the light?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Sithwalker, Jan 22, 2015.

  1. Sithwalker

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    Not like Vader did. But actually like killing your Sith Lord, and turning to the light. I mean if you can turn from the light to the dark why not the other way ? Perhaps Kylo Ren is having the red lightsaber, but he is a good guy trying to turn good.. opinions ?
     
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    I think it is possible, but I don't know enough about Adam Driver's character to say that he will or won't.

    Sometimes, or perhaps most times, an individual is too far gone, or there was never even a small glimpse of goodness in them. It's possible to turn back to the light, but I think it takes a powerful pull of something or someone, along with a glimmer of goodness, to bring someone back from the dark side.
     
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    Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will. Although it seemed like luke started down the dark path and then stepped back to the light, as did his father.

    I think Luke's generation of jedi will be more redemptive rather than damning.
     
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    i like the idea of Kylo Ren becoming something of an anti-villain! the EU definitely had stories of people turning from the Dark side to the Light, so i don't see why this can't/wouldn't happen again.
     
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    I suppose it's possible I mean vader did, so it may take some act of love to turn back...WAIT... AN ACT OF LOVE!!! Maybe there will be some act of love or kindness in TFA, Epsiode 8 or 9', because lots of Disney movie had that true love kiss thing so maybe something similar????
     
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    While I do believe it is possible to turn from the Dark Side. I really think it should be kept only for the extremely rare occasions like Anakin/Vader.
    I am not very fond of the idea of 'Grey Side' cause it diminishes the dangerous nature of the Dark Side. Once you start dabbling in it, it "Will control your Destiny".

    Star Wars is a morality play, plus it is based on eastern religion. The Light Side is good, is harmony. And the Dark side is the complete opposite from that.
    So whilst you might be able to bring back the 'harmony', I do not believe in Anti-Hero Jedi that go further then how I saw Windu in ROTS ("He's too dangerous to be kept alive!")

    Let other franchises explore the 'gray side of morality', maybe a Bounty Hunter or Smuggler spin-off. But Star Wars ('proper') should be about the purest struggle between Light and Dark Sides, Good and Evil.
     
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    Does a lobotomy can cure Darkside?
    Is a bipolar Jedi will switch from one side to the other?
    What if a Sith becomes the ultimate ruler of the universe and the Force... What's next for him? Is he becoming lazy and do nothing but watching Pod Racing all day long or turning back the other way around might be a new challenge for him... Like The Grinch.
     
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    "...If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny..."~Yoda
     
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    I think it is possible.

    As so many here have quoted Yoda, the Dark Side consumes you almost to a point of no return. But another factor I believe we are all forgetting is human frailty. It's not that a Jedi lost his temper one day and was "ruined" and became a servant of the Dark Side, no, he chose to let his emotions control him, and he allowed himself to continue down that path.
    Likewise with someone already on the dark path, they chose to continue and wallow in their wickedness. There could easily be something truly good hidden down deep inside them, and that finally breaks through and causes a change of heart and mind.
     
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    Interesting concept about Kylo Ren. Honestly, I hope we get to see someone really struggling with the two extremes. Something a bit more in-depth than we witnessed with Anakin or Luke, and not due to a loved one.
     
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    Not like Vader did. But actually like killing your Sith Lord, and turning to the light.


    But that is exactly what Vader did. He killed his master and redeemed himself hence "The Return of the Jedi". I think this is an interesting question, but it's not ambiguous. The answer is yes, definitively.
     
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    I don't think Vader redeemed himself by killing the Emperor, but he did by sacrificing his own life to save Luke. Killing an evildoer is still murder however it is phrased*, but only the selfless will risk death to save others.

    *Mace Windu was willing to breach the Jedi Code by slaying Darth Sidious because he estimated the Sith Lord could not be contained any other way without a very real risk of corrupting or murdering his captors.
     
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    Well even though my avatar is a game character he turned back.

    I agree Vader was doing what any father would do protect his child.
     
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    So then by that logic, Obi-Wan went against the Jedi code when he killed Darth Maul. Not only did he go against the Jedi code, but started down the path to the dark side because he "murdered" Darth Maul out of vengeance for killing Qui-Gon. And since he didn't become a Sith by doing this, he ALSO turned from the dark side back to the light. No matter how momentary he was on the dark path, he was on it all the same.
     
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    I want to add something here…
    Someone mentioned an “act of love”. There is a problem there. We all know it. While Disney is famous for those “True Love’s Kiss” plots, its not about that when it comes to the mysteries of the Force.


    What its about is this. Having “love” for another person means one of two things.


    1.) You drop using the Force altogether, and leave the Jedi order (Similar to what Obi Wan was going to do with the Dutchess, as per Clone Wars)
    2.) You are like Anakin and it turns you to the dark side.


    You see, Love and Compassion, according to Anakin was something that Jedi were “encouraged” to do. However, he was still a padawan, and didn’t quite grasp the ramifications of what that meant. To love another person and to be selfless to the Force are not compatible.


    If an act of love was shown towards a Sith or Dark Side user, the only reason that said user would possibly save that person or help them in any way was because of selfish desire for their love. That wouldn’t “redeem” anyone. That would lead away from the selflessness that the Force has previously required from a Jedi.


    An anti-hero. Maybe that would work. Someone who had their own agenda. Not really wanting to be “evil” per say or “good” either. Someone like that might allow love to change his/her mind but likely it would end up as their downfall.
     
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    Well in the post-RotJ novels, we see Han and leia get married as well as Luke and Mara Jade get married. They didn't fall to the dark side of the FOrce so maybe Anakin was right. Anakin's fall to the dark side was mainly because Sheev told him to do X and he would take care of Y. Sheev lied, Anakin ruined his former life and went with the Dark side since it was all he had left.
     
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    Yeah, I pondered on that for a bit as well. All I could gather was that the EU didn’t exist anymore as part of my argument. I also wonder 2 things about this, @Voxx.
    1.) Luke and Mara were both Force sensitive and could guide each other even while this “love” was running strong.
    2.) Han and Leia…were not both Force sensitive and according to some TFA rumors…are no longer together. Maybe this is why.
    Ive always thought it was funny, a little off topic here, how much Han saw the Force as hokey. He saw it in action and still was a bit of a skeptic. Its like when three people clearly see a Sasquatch and one of them is like “it had to be a bear”.
    Anyways, ive always thought it would be cool if in the face of tragedy, Han Solo actually used the Force and said one of those kooky lines he used like “Well would ya look at that?” right before his demise, ya know. Haha.
     
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    Turning back? Obviously there is Vader. Turning back to serve the light again? Perhaps. IMO You would have to be early in the stages. Exploring the darkside while still serving the rebel cause, which is how I envision Kylo, but I don't expect him to be successful based upon the chatter. Basically, no innocent victims so to speak. You can't cut up just anyone.
     
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    Yeah no EU kind of makes my point moot, but hey, just food for thought. ;)

    I've thought of the Han is actually a Force user too but didn't know it :p
     
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    Yes, Darth Raven did.
     
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