CGI in TFA

TPM Jar Jar still impresses me to this day, it certainly looks photorealistic enough to stand the test of time.

About people debating the miniatures... remember that George probably stuck a load of digital lighting crap over it in post, thats why it looks so goddamn cartoony.

 

Actually, not only with "Sherlock," but with cgi used to create animated shorts using programs like Maya and all which resulted in PIXAR films, all of which led to the fast evolution of Sherlock, into Jurassic Park and then TPM. Peter Jackson dis use these similar techniques to start WETA Digital. With AOTC, I wouldn't blame just the cgi but also the promitive digital technology used with the cameras and filming. I think that's also partially a reason why the chi doesn't look as "groundbreaking"

 

Interesting they say "many" of the hallways... many as in, not all.
So if that one was one of the many, which hallways were not?

Also, the example mentioned is a hallway were Yoda and Mace talk.... not one with Yoda, Obi-Wan, and Mace. Are they even talking about the same one?

Ralph Bakshi's Lord of the Rings used rotoscoping, a pretty primative form of motion capture pioneered by Max Fleischer in 1918 (I've taken an animation history class). Rotoscoping is what they've used for lightsabers since the very beginning.
The technology for modern motion capture, in which performers wear a suit with reflective markers, dates back to MIT research in the early 1980s... but it wasn't really until The Phantom Menace that the technology started being used in film.

The problem is that George Lucas began using CGI as a crutch. Instead of filming as much as he could in an entire scene, he would film "elements" of the scene, and compose them together in post-production. It's a bit like a digital artist who is always using Ctrl + Z; they lose their ability to commit to anything. You end up polishing things so much, that you lose the texture that makes it feel alive.

Agreed. The worse thing visually about Jar Jar is his clothing. The rest still stands up fairly well today.

 

C3PO, a good example on how Attack of the Clones used CGI in the wrong way, to create a useless scene where the character becomes as light as a Kenner toy with no plot purpose.

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Yes, EXACTLY. And as Lucas is the boss of ILM, and ILM is a high-end VFX company, the decision to do too much CGI and put on risk ILM reputation is from his own boss. Therefore yes, Attack of the Clones has bad CGI, and the reason is within the company.

 

It was still going strong before Disney, but this is going to be a money making machine for years to come!

 

For some people, they brought it "back". For others, it was never gone.

I was personally turned off by the PT movies. This was the movie I hoped they would be. I think, as you pointed out, the real sets (and more advanced CGI) made a huge difference, but the biggest thing for me was the acting. They nailed it in TFA (again, my opinion), and with any luck, can do the same in VIII and IX.

As for JarJar, I wasn't a fan, but I think it would have gone a different (and maybe better) direction if people hadn't crucified Lucas for introducing him at all. Sure, he was the "dopey sidekick", but there could have been a lot more to it if Lucas didn't have to pander to the public (again, not a fan, just playing devil's advocate).

 

Jar Jar makes the baby Jesus cry.

 

I dont think George Lucas messed anything up. I think Disney is doing to much with the whole Rogue One and all the dumb anthology movies. I do understand why but its all side stories that, in my opinion i dont really care as much. yeah they made CW and Rebels but those stories cover lines into the whole SW saga. they have added characters to the series that follow the story. i just think a movie about Han or Fett wouldnt really matter in the SW saga if it doesnt benefit it. yeah R1 is about the stole plans but we already know what happens to the death star. with rebels its more fitting now that they added characters from the SW saga and CW to make it canon and into the whole storyline.

May the force be with you always...

 

I wouldn't say George Lucas nearly killed the franchise... he just damaged it

 

George seriously ruined Lucasarts. George nearly ruined Lucasfilm with the prequels. He's an authoritarian director and ceo. And indeed he surrounds himself with yesmen (i.e. Rick McCallum).With The Force Awakens, Disney and the new Lucasfilm proved that deliberative theory works. The more people are involved in giving imput and influencing the final product, the better that product will become. That's why democracies are rich and succesful, because they deliberate and spread responsibiltiy. Kennedy did the same with the new Lucasfilm and unsuprisingly The Force Awakens became a great success and one of the best Star Wars movies. The Force Awakens, was like Empire Strikes Back, as team effort, and that's why it worked!

 

I will ALWAYS LOVE Star Wars.GL had made a wonderful imaginary world that makes us dream.SW is EPIC for me....

 

Not to get nit-picky here, but your name should be "IAndOthersDidntLikeTFA".

 

The movie games for the prequels weren't that bad to me and Battlefront was. A hallmark game for them and Disney thought that shutting down Lucas arts and outsourcing would be cheaper anyways .

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As funny as it is this is called "innovation" and CHI is way cheaper compared to practical like how digital is way cheaper than film stock .

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AOTC CGI was nominated for the Oscar.
AOTC VFX are faaaar from bad.

Especially when you take into account that they are 14 years old.

Also CGI in that scene look much much better than Snoke and Rathars in TFA. And that CGI is new.

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Even more CGI in TFA.

Even Unkar was a CGI.

 

Snoke was dreadful and the most unnecessary and now i want him dead.

everything else worked for me, even if the rathtars were cheesy weezie.

interesting that they cgi'd Kylo Ren in the chamber scene rather than just reshoot the scene. interesting that they filmed it that way in the first place. i'd love to hear the story behind that.

 

Which scene are you referring to ?

 

the scene when Snoke tells Kylo Ren the droid is in the hands of his father. it was filmed without a mask and the mask and hood were then cgi'd over.

 

Ohhh I thought that he ended up being completely CGI ?